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Is Johnny Football the Pick We Are Missing?

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by solid, Dec 18, 2013.

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  1. Remii

    Remii Member

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    You make some very good points sir... Especially the point that I could have looked at the poll and seen who you voted for. Lol...
     
  2. Remii

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    And you (and Bobby) are making the assumption teams will have to throw against the Texans all the time. You guys are assuming Fitzpatrick will have the Texans ahead by two TD's every game like he did with Tennessee... Oh wait...!!!
     
  3. Bogey

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    When did this turn into a Clowney thread?
     
  4. Indaface

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    No im just making the assumption that most teams throw the ball most of the time (or run the ball from more spread out formations). Not too many teams employ the rb fb wr wr te formation nowadays. But you can go ahead and ignore that and continue on making stuff up. And don't group me with Bobby he thinks Clowney is the next LT, I just think Clowney is the best pick at #1 if we do happen to stay there (hopefully there's a trade down because our team has a crapload of holes).


    And sorry for being part of the Clowney derail i'm sure Remii will respond with something completely ignoring my context and say something that fits his agenda.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    It's pretty standard for JFF fans to attack a 3rd party when a knock on JFF comes up.
     
  6. Bogey

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    Some of us like JFF and think he has potential to be great. Have no need to knock other prospects.
     
  7. J.R.

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    Backing up with Lance Z said earlier:

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I've been told Johnny Football had the highest wonderlic test of all the top QB's in this years draft</p>&mdash; John Middlekauff (@JohnMiddlekauff) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnMiddlekauff/statuses/454334804343812096">April 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Talked to multiple assistant coaches who have had Johnny on private team visits. All raved about his intelligence.</p>&mdash; John Middlekauff (@JohnMiddlekauff) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnMiddlekauff/statuses/454337667765772288">April 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The avg wonderlic score for a starting QB in '12 was 29, anything above 30 is outstanding. Johnny scored above both numbers</p>&mdash; John Middlekauff (@JohnMiddlekauff) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnMiddlekauff/statuses/454338983640584192">April 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NFL&amp;src=hash">#NFL</a> source on Johnny Manziel: &quot;Highly intelligent. May have the best memory of anyone we've met with.&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL">@ESPNNFL</a></p>&mdash; Britt McHenry (@BrittMcHenry) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrittMcHenry/statuses/454329919062147072">April 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>More on <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23JohnnyManziel&amp;src=hash">#JohnnyManziel</a> from source: Could draw up plays shown from Combine w/ perfect recall on Pro Day. Well-received on visit <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NFLDraft&amp;src=hash">#NFLDraft</a></p>&mdash; Britt McHenry (@BrittMcHenry) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrittMcHenry/statuses/454336194466553856">April 10, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  8. Remii

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    Sorry, not ignoring your point which I do get... But we are in the AFC South and Indy is the top dog on our block and they are trying to run a more traditional offense. A majority of the offenses you speak of are in the NFC. *
    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/10...hamilton-offense-andrew-luck-trent-richardson

    Luck is arguably the best duel threat QB in the NFL and they are trying to become a smash mouth offense which can neutralize the edge rushers. Seattle and San Francisco only had 3 sacks combined on Luck and Indy had a lot of injuries as well and have been playing with a lot of youngsters. I'm not trying to derail the thread but the Texans will probably have better luck trying to build an offense to try to out score Luck than a defense that can stop him since two of the best ones couldn't.

    Clowney may be great, but that wouldn't be more valuable than a good productive quarterback. And as I said before, the success rate is better for undersized quarterbacks like Johnny and Teddy than it is for oversized outside pass rushers like Clowney.
     
  9. SamFisher

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    No he s making the assumption that its not the year 1982 and that teams will use personnel packages other than a pro set on most downs which requires slavish adherence to a base scheme.
     
  10. tmacfor35

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    Manziel vs Clowney?
     
  11. platypus

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    Well the fact that his wonderlic is good is a great sign. The biggest question mark about Manziel is whether he can have the intelligence to adjust to NFL coverages and dominate the game from a mental stand point.

    If the kid has this then he is someone you should consider for the number one pick.
     
  12. MrVengeance

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    Does wunderlic Test's how good a quarterback someone's going to be. I don' t think so. These type of test measures your learning and how fast can you solve things. The difference between a really high score and good score on intelligence measure isn't that BIG and its not really testing intelligence either. I have actually taken a similar aptitude test for my career and there is no direct translation on success with that test, but its a really GOOD indicator of whether a person can acquire a new knowledge and be able to use that in a real life situation. A low score will be really BIG red flag, but other than that it test's your potential to acquire information and whether you can use it.
     
  13. J.R.

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>At the combine, Texas A&amp;M QB Johnny Manziel rang up an impressive score of 32 on the Wonderlic, I'm told. Should help his cause.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/statuses/454607517008801792">April 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Manziel's Wonderlic score of 32 wasn't the highest of any QB at this year's combine, however. Cornell QB Jeff Matthews scored a 40.</p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/statuses/454608365084491776">April 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  14. ipaman

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    1.1 With the 1st pick, the Houston Texans select Jeff Matthews from Cornell.
     
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    Teddy Bridge with a whopping 20 on the test...ouch. I was banking on his intelligence. Not that the test is a full indication, but damn, I expected more from Ted.
     
  16. TheRealist137

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    football intelligence is what matters, wunderlic is only relevant if you show that you are really really dumb (Vince Young etc.)
     
  17. Remii

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    Maybe so, maybe not... But that score isn't going to help Teddy at all. Much more was expected considering how everyone talked up his intelligence and him being a football servant.
     
  18. J.R.

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    Well....

    So you are all surprised, right? :p

     
  19. Bobbythegreat

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    Honestly, I'm surprised. His brain was pretty much the only good thing about him and it turns out that it's nothing special.
     
  20. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Need help moving the goal post son?
     
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