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Jeremy Lin's upside

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by meh, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. Solaris

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    Lin better took the opportunity to take some pictures with those nuggets dancer hotties!
     
  2. Solaris

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    shh, don't tell that to Dei. He still thinks Lin's injury is a conspiracy from those crazy delusional LOFs. Even after Lin said it, the coach said it, the beat writer said it.
     
  3. jordnnnn

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    I don't follow... Last night he was making shots that he generally takes in every game. The opportunity to not miss shots is there every time they play.

    I mean is it really a surprise that when Lin is making shots and not turning it over he looks like a special player? The key to actually being that special player is doing it more consistently. He has the ability, he has opportunities, he just has to put it all together and do it more often.
     
  4. chenjy9

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    It's the idiocy of LoF's. When Lin hits his shots and does well or at least reasonably well, they go "See he has All-Star potential!" When he doesn't do well, the blame one or more of the following:

    - James Harden
    - Back injury, never mind that the podcast was from 3/4 and not 4/3
    - Changing roles
    - Offense
    - Racism by coach, management, and teammates

    Thank god we only have to suffer through one more season at the most of this never ending BS. While I like Lin as a Rocket player and really hope he makes it as a 6th man during playoffs time, it's gotten to the point where I don't even care if Morey does trade him for peanuts anymore. I no longer care if we get close to fair return for him. I just want us to move on from this Tebow experiment.
     
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  5. rlivz

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    Good points -- his role was completely unchanged. In fact, he struggled until Harden and the other starters were put back in during the 2nd which means that when given the opportunity to be the primary ballhandler, he didn't take advantage. During that stretch in the second, he simply hit essentially all of the shots he normally takes.

    There is no opportunity lost for Lin. Harden simply does more for the team as the primary ballhandler, and Lin needs to be more aggressive when Harden is on the bench.
     
  6. Exel

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    The starters were put back in the 9:57 mark in the second quarter. Houston had 4 possessions in 2:03 minutes before the starters were put back in. Here are the break downs of those possessions:

    1. JHam tossed an airball floater.
    2. Canaan turned it over.
    3. Casspi missed an open corner three generated by a Lin drive and kick out.
    4. JHam hit a corner three.

    Jeremy Lin didn't have much of an opportunity to do much in those 2:03 minutes. Is he supposed to take all the shots in those 4 possessions?
     
  7. chenjy9

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    As the 6th man role, ideally yes. When Harden sits, Lin is supposed to be our scorer as a 6th man. He needs to seize that role with aggression and not worry about stepping on anyone's toes. As the 6th man, the offense needs to start with Lin and if that doesn't happen, he needs to DEMAND that it does.
     
  8. gambingo

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    You know there's a thing such as ignore right? No one is forcing you to read the garbage, you chose to do it yourself knowing dam well it aggravates you, so that's on you.
     
  9. chenjy9

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    I do ignore, but I can't block out when people I don't have on ignore quotes them, which is really unfortunate.
     
  10. haoafu

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    High upside with inconsistency. We need this randomness to go deep in playoff.
     
  11. pirc1

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    Lin might have pretty high upside, but not on this team. We should check back in three years when he should be at his prime on another team, hopefully he picks a team that fits his style better. By that time LOFs should have all left and the debate can be more logical.
     
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    Your view of what LOFs think is amusing. When he doesn't play well, he doesn't play well. LOFs know young players will make mistakes and have bad games. What LOFs believe is that when he gets to play quality minutes he generally performs well. What LOFs also point out is that there is statistical backing for this view. If you look at what Jeremy Lin has done this season, when he plays half the game or more, he averages about 15 pts/5.5 assists and shoots 46% from the field. Those numbers, I would argue, are an indication of good and fairly consistent performance over the sample size. And we all know what he did last year after the first month, and especially during the last 3 months of the regular season.

    In addition, LOFs believe that Lin has the ability to make plays late in games to help the team win and that he can take over games when he gets into that "Linsane" mode. In those respects, LOFs believe he has the ability to be a special in key moments.
     
  13. LosPollosHermanos

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    its hilarious how people are actually calling themselves LOFs. You want to be known as "Lin Fans", not Lin-Only-Fans. The terms is supposed to illustrate a disregard for the rest of the team, its not one that should be embraced. Just my 2 cents.
     
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    You shouldn't generalize, because not all Lin fans think the same. Personally, I don't believe it's simply a matter of him needing to be given more minutes for him to perform more consistently. Or at least, it's unclear.

    When McHale benches him in the 4th quarter, or limits his minutes after a poor initial performance, there is the possibility that he may be taking away an opportunity for him to "break out" later in the game (we've seen games where he goes 1-5 and then completely turns it around later on, such as in the first game against Toronto). However, there is also the possibility that he took him out because he was simply not effective (bad match-up) against a particular team, e.g. a team with an elite shot blocker or something, or maybe Lin was just really having an off day. In that scenario, it's actually quite possible that were he given more minutes, he would have just played horribly for a longer period of time (so the case can be argued that McHale is actually saving his per-36 stats by restricting his minutes in those games). We've seen examples of this too, in games where Lin plays 35+ minutes, and takes 10+ FGA, but still plays poorly.

    So I'm not saying the suggestion that having inconsistent minutes may be causing Lin's inconsistent performance is entirely wrong. Just that it's unclear, as it's a chicken-egg problem where the question of whether inconsistent minutes causes inconsistent play, or whether inconsistent play causes inconsistent minutes, is tough to resolve. Then throw in injuries, and frequently changing roles from 6th man to starter, and it's really unclear what causes what.

    What is more clear, however, is that Lin plays better in the starting lineup without Harden. Of all the inconsistent performances he has shown, I think this is the one thing about him that has been relatively consistent. I can't recall even one poor game from him when he played in the starting line-up sans Harden, last season included (please correct me if I'm wrong). And he's played both good and bad defensive teams in those games, and still performed reasonably well. Thus his inconsistency may simply stem from him still not knowing how to, or still feeling uncomfortable/unnatural playing alongside a ball-dominant teammate. This is no one's fault or anything, just the way it is. And since Harden is clearly superior, unfortunately Lin is just going to have to learn how to complement Harden's game, not the other way around. But in the long run, maybe it's better for him, as it can help him turn into a more well-rounded player.
     
  15. Dementium

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    You clicked on a Jeremy Lin thread. What the heck did you expect?

    Just don't click on it if it bothers you so much.
     
  16. gene18

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    The coach has to DEMAND.
     
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    Shaq was speaking about T. Ducan and how good he still is. He showed tapes of Ducan playing against the Mavs. he pointed out how he screened, picked and set up other players. Shaq. reitterated that a greaqt player helps his other team mates play better. I do not see Harden truly help any other player except Howard and he is more than able to do so.
     
  18. tmacfor35

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    You don't see it because you are stupid.
     
  19. vlaurelio

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    Harden single handedly helped the rockets franchise become relevant again
     
  20. TheJet

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    Wow, dude. Just, wow. I get why some people are all about Lin, I really do. And most of your posts indicate you do watch the games and have some basketball knowledge.

    But that last line. Sorry dude, that one's over the top.
     

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