god what a dufus, can you get to the point next time. You take up half a page with nonsense and rambling that sounds like what Kevin Mchale would say in a timeout. Either offer basketball insight or tell a clever joke. You've done neither for 10 pages now. I'm shocked torocan even replies to you.
Above statement from you is just sad. I expect you to put up a better fight than this. You are going away from the facts and number that you trying to find or even imagine to support your "Lin is a 8 mil worth player" statement. At the end, you realized that your just do not have the facts nor the number, now you are turning to some empty fantasy theories and not only that, you are "hoping" that there will be ONE team, yes, just ONE team out there, who care its the bucks or whoever it will be, it doesn't matter if their PG position will be opened or due to injury or desperate or whatever, you just need one team to make a sucker offer. What happened to your statement about : hey Lin's performance was just a result of misused by the Rockets and this is much of a systematic problem, under a right system with a right coach, he will shrine again? Who care about the system and who care about what he will perform after he signed the next contract, right? if you still want to argue, suggest a team, an environment currently in the league that will suit the style of play that you hope will fit for Lin, and while they will be more than happy to offer him 8 mils per year? I am still waiting.
It is possible to be insulting and obnoxious and still have a point. Although it does lower the level of discourse and the odds of a response. Note: Having a point doesn't make you right.
you're right, having a point doesn't make you right, but if you're gonna make one, at least do it with style and humour. Be obnoxious if you want to be, as long as it is still an enjoyable post
*yawn* Raymond Felton Rodney Stuckey George Hill Jameer Nelson Steve Nash They're free agents. They have the option to NOT re-sign. Small markets are notorious for losing players, especially all stars. Wanting Dragic to stay and Dragic wanting to stay are two different things. And there's no guarantee that several of these point guards will even be *offered* extensions or shipped out in a S&T if the teams are looking to clear cap space for a high profile FA. Just look at the Mavericks. They cleared the decks and STILL missed out on Dwill AND Howard. And they're a FAR better organization than the vast majority of the NBA with a track record of play off contention and a championship pedigree. The end result is they were left scrambling to fill roster spots with passable talent just to have a SHOT at the play offs. The situations aren't nearly the same. Lin's contract would be a normal contract. It would not be back loaded. There is no RFA involved as Lin will be a free agent. And teams would not be sending out assets and picks as part of the acquisition. And even if they trade Rondo, there's no guarantee they get a PG back in the trade. It is quite conceivable that they send out Rondo for a ton of picks and younger talent on a 3-4 year development plan. You're assuming that the Lakers or Knicks GET their high profile free agent. The Lakers aren't who they used to be. Jim Buss is not nearly the attraction to sign as the late Dr. Buss. And big market free agents will be FULLY aware that Kobe is tying up $24M. Someone is always left out of the dance and left scrambling. There's always a loser in the chase for talent. And they're the ones who end up trying to find a way to make do. No, your "logic" led you to the Bucks. Mine is open to probability, to the nature of uncertainty, chaos and complex systems. You prefer to fixate on a single player and your perceived value of them as a player. And use that to project your own impressions based upon your visual impressions and faulty memories upon the motivations and drive of others. The only sad thing is that you're in such a rush to justify your position that you refuse to consider the possibility that there is extraordinary complexity when you have a 30 team competitive race for talent, and the unexpected and unintended consequences when you have multiple teams all chasing a handful of All Star caliber players leads to far stranger results than would be apparent upon passing consideration.
I could but I'd sound mean-spirited and get banned. He is one of the better lofs, that's why it was disappointing to see huge blind spots with dumbass remarks like "taiwan is a vast market" and as a market has "a moat around it", and such indirectly self-aggrandizing, reality-detached comments that lofs stereotypically make. He doesn't see his own blindspots, but it's like he's running stark naked before me. I could slice and dice him up, but nah.
Torocan: My impression of his words is that he said Taiwan has a population of 23 million. Correct me if I'm wrong. Ignoring the literal interpretation of moat (cuz, you know, Taiwan is an island), the figurative interpretation (he doesn't have a lot of competition) seems accurate enough. Especially since basketball is very big in Taiwan. Why is it not possible to respond politely enough to avoid being banned?
In local team terms, 23M people IS a vast market. How many local team markets are as large? Go through the list of metropolitan cities with NBA teams. Check their populations. Compare that to Taiwan once you factor in viewing audience. No, it's not like marketing across the US, but in terms of NBA local terms, yes it is unless you consider LA, NY or Chicago to not be Vast NBA markets. And "moat" is not a self-aggrandizing term, it's a specific term used in investment. It was a term used most commonly by Warren Buffett in describing a specific competitive advantage that has unique properties specific to that enterprise. The use of specific vocabulary is far from a "blind spot", and even if it were "self-aggrandizing" that does not constitute the definition of a "blind spot". And if you feel the analysis is flawed, feel free to forward your own positions and justify it. Surely you are capable of doing so in a way that is not mean spirited. Or is being "mean spirited" required for you to express an opinion?
There are going to be 2 drafts between now and 2015 free agency. At least a few teams will fill their pg spot that way.
First, thanks for taking the time and effort to post a well thought out response. I can see where you are coming from. But, the flaw I see is that you seem to be assuming that all 30 GMs are going to value Lin the same as you. One reason that I listed the production of the pgs in the 4-6 million range is that I think Lin is better than that group you think he belongs to (he is also around 2 years younger than the youngest player in that group). And this is where I think your reasoning is off. I don't think that all 30 GMs are going to have the same opinion as you and it only takes 1 to value him at the next level of pgs. And the next level of pgs aren't the ones you listed, "a PG that's in the next class up(Ty Lawson, Rondo, Conley, etc. level). ". Rondo makes around 12 million and Lawson is almost 11 million. Conley who makes 8.6 million, I feel is underpaid. I estimated that he would get 7-8 million on his next contract. Here is the list of pgs in that range. Jose Calderon - 6.8 Brandon Jennings - 7.6 George Hill - 8 Jeff Teague - 8 Jameer Nelson - 8.6 http://espn.go.com/nba/salaries/_/page/2
That's a funny list to say the least. I hope you will do a better homework before you give this list, but obviously you did not. Rodney Stuckey - 67 games played this season, GS : 1 If this is one of the best options you can find, then its just sad. Oh, in case you forgot to google this : The Pistons are a mess and they were trying to trade away anyone in their roster with last name is not Drummond. So you still think by getting Lin in 8 mils per and have him playing behind Jennings is a brilliant idea? Brilliant! Jameer Nelson - The last time I checked, he is playing for the Orlando Magic, and the sole reason that the Magic is still playing him is this : he gave them a better chance to tank to the bottom. So you still believe they will trade/sign for Lin instead of Nelson? Great! Steve Nash - actually I sincerely hope that you will stop insulting Nash, dude only played 13 games for the Lakers this season, if you are doing this on purpose to make Lin look better, its just sad. Btw, in case you are not aware of this : the Lakers are trying to tank, yes, and they are trying hard. Raymond Felton - I am glad that you have not forgotten Mr. Felton. Unfortunately, you also forgot about Melo and Dolan and the cap situation of the Knicks. George Hill - :grin: I wish CF will have more smilies to choose from, unfortunately, it doesn't.
Irrelevant. Stuckey @ 8M is a worse PG than Lin. Once again, irrelevant. Jameer Nelson at $8M is a worse PG than Lin. That they're tanking is adding context, which you yourself did not specify. You said VALUE. Once again irrelevant. Irrespective of name, a 39 year old PG with ongoing health issues on a $9M/year contract and playing virtually NO games this year and missing half the season THIS year is lower value than Lin. Again, irrelevant. The Knicks would take a player producing like Lin at $8M for a play off push over Felton at $4M in a flash. Their cap situation is irrelevant. You did not specify cap space constraint, just dollar vs production. George Hill's offensive production is non existant. Offense is the Pacers' primary issue, NOT their defense. And their defense stems from their size and length in the front court. On a production vs dollar basis, Lin is the superior PG. That said, you do make a good case for why they would not TRADE for Lin on their current, but that's not what you Specifically asked. Let me remind you...
