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Francis going too w/ Rudy gone?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets34Legend, May 23, 2003.

  1. Rockets34Legend

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    With Rudy gone, is Steve going to go somewhere else?
     
  2. kidrock8

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    The only team that would want him is Washington. Not sure what they have to offer though.

    There just aren't too many teams looking to add a max contract for 6 more years onto their books.
     
  3. The_Yoyo

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    at this point no but if whoever the new coach decides to play a post-orientated offense to utliize yao to the fullest francis might have some words to say about it but who knows 1/2 the people say that francis hates yao the other half says he loves yao and there is only one person in the world who will know whats going to happen and he aint gonna say anything right now about it. but losing rudy t will have an effect on his mental approach to the game i just hope steve has matured to the point to realize what sort of chance he has right now in houston
     
  4. SamFisher

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    Yeah, cause we all know that's the only thing Steve Francis brings to the table is a huge salary........

    But to answer the original question, he is about as gone as yao is. as in not.
     
  5. Roc Paint

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    I think the team has gone through enough change for one day.

    Go Franchise!! :)
     
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    If Francis is on the block many teams will show interest. He is truly special player. We will not get equitable talent return on what we have invested in him. A fire sale gutting of the team...
     
  7. OUTITAN

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    Gutting the team wouldn't take very long.....

    Franchise isn't going anywhere, but whomever they bring in had better know how to handle his ego. Brown ring a bell? Then again someone stated a good point in another thread. Brown is old and talkes about retiring constantly... kinda makes me wonder..
     
  8. ROXTXIA

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    Only if Steve could somehow bring us Garnett. But if we could have Garnett, why fire Rudy? Garnett is coach-proof.

    Still.....Rudy had more history with us than does Steve.

    Likely Steve will stay though.
     
  9. farhan007

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    If Francis goes, im the a new fan of the team he goes too, not the rockets anymore.
     
  10. The Real Shady

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    Could a knowledgable capologist give the lowdown on trading Francis...hmmmm GATOR. Can Francis be traded so soon after signing a deal of this length? Is he a BYC player? Does he have to be traded to a team that's under the cap??

    I still feel that Francis will likely remain a Rocket but with Rudy gone anything is a possibilty.
     
  11. pasox2

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    Francis is BYC. He's not going anywhere.

    [unreality]...except in the Garnett dreamathon thread, where you could 3-way with Washington to deliver Minny draft picks, and split up all the extra rox.[/unreality ]
     
  12. crash5179

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    No big loss.
     
  13. The Real Shady

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    Explain. What makes a BYC so untradable?
     
  14. CrazyJoeDavola

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    Because when calculating salaries to match on a trade, his salary only counts have of what it is (i.e. if Steve's salary is $10 mil per year and you are trying to trade him for another $10 mil per year salary, it wouldn't match the CBA requirements because his trade figure would only be $5 MIL).
     
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    When you trade a BYC player you can only take back 50% of that players salery if you are over the cap. And of course the Rockets are over the cap.

    No big deal for the Rockets right? Well the problem comes when trading to another team that is over the cap, which basically applies to all of the NBA teams. According to the rules a team over the cap can take back no more than 115% of the traded players salery plus 100K dollars.

    So if Steves BYC salery is 1 mill then the Rox can only take back 500k because they are over the cap.

    So Minny or who ever can only send back 500k in salery in xchange for Steve but since they are also over the cap so they can only take back about 557k which is considerably less than Steve's 1 mill salery.

    So you see...trading a BYC player is very complicated and usually requires a team that is under the cap or at least a third team to absorb some of the salery.
     
  16. pasox2

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    this is a link to larry coon's faq on the slary cap :

    http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#71

    there is an index at the bottom - see section 71 on byc.

    You can only trade Steve for 5 mil of the 10 he makes; you must take back the other players full salary even if he is byc. To move Steve, you'd have to package him with other contracts to get back someone paid the same. The other team would have to have room for those contracts. No star for star. It's difficult.

    The only way to move him is for a rising star on a rookie contract with a team that has room under the cap that can add another player to balance salaries. Usually, teams that have a rising star on a rookie contract don't want to exchange that value guy for a maxed player.
     
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    Trust me, if Francis became available there would be a lot of team trying to fit in his contract. I don't think Francis will want to leave. If he leaves because Rudy won't be back why would he jump to another team since he would also be playing under a new coach? And Washington is in so much turmoil it isn't worth going there.
     
  18. pasox2

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    On the other hand .... maybe we can 3-way with Washington and the Clippers (both under) to get Brand and Odom (rookie contracts). Sterling gets picks, we send Steve Cat and Eggie. hee hee.
    ;)
     
  19. prodigy

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    if Francis wants to go, then let him go! he's not a point a guard and never was one at San Jac or Maryland. he calls himself a leader but doesn't even play like one. he's nothing but a ball-hogger and crybaby. i won't lose any sleep if he, Mobeley, and Moochie are gone from the team.
     
  20. E.J. Tucker

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    Why would Francis want to leave now, he has cost Rudy his job by refusing to play team ball. Its all about his and his buddies stats and go a full quarter without Ming touching the ball.

    It worked this time and got Rudy gone, it will not work on who ever the next coach happens to be. Next time it will be clear that Francis is not going to change and he is gone, for anything.
     

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