first of all, how do you get younger? did harper discover the fountain of youth or something? another illustration of how crack does brain damage to you. (by the way, this is not a joke, i really think you need to check into drug rehab) nobody gets any younger. people only get older. and harper retired with the knicks if i'm not mistaken. he's a older player. not a younger player. the team he played with before was dallas i think and he was younger when he played with the mavs than when he played with the knicks. dumba$$, when somebody already acknowledges that they made a mistake and realize riley coached that team and acknowledge that fact repeatedly and then another crackhead comes out and says the same redundant thing and thinks i don't know yet, obviously, i'm going to tell you to read the whole thread. why you insist on reminding me about things that were already resolved? i don't understand, but i think a drug counselor will help you resolve your "ISSUES".
Patrick Ewing, Charles Oakley and John Starks were all All Stars in 1994. Houston was represented solely by Hakeem Olajuwon. The Eastern Conference won that All Star game 127-118. However, as you stated Houston clearly had the superior talent that year.
ewing, oakley, and starks were all stars in 94? wow, you really know your knicks trivia questions. some people are really into doing major research to prepare a weak and irrelevant argument. houston being only represented by hakeem doesn't mean anything. wasn't he the starting center? i don't recall. patrick ewing, i don't even think he was the starting center. didn't shaquille start? i can't remember that far back and i'm not gonna do research like you. oakley was probably a bench all star and starks was definitely on the bench as well. and it was the only time oakley and starks made the team if i remember right. starks was overrated in my opinion and strictly a product of ny hype. making the all star in two different conferences is completely different. didn't brad miller make the all star team in the east this year? would he have made the team in the west. stop using dumb arguments. regarding harper owning cassell and smith?, doesn't that just prove rudy t has incompetant defensive strategies? cassell and smith were both very good shooters and clutch shooters at that. i don't care how many points harper scored. i don't remember him being that big a factor. if he was owning cassell and smith that much, why didn't they beat the rockets? i think you're exaggerating. and houston's 94 team had several young players didn't it? horry was inexperienced, barely 2 years experience in the league, and cassell was a rookie right? how many years was otis thorpe in the league? young players who nobody really know aren't put on the all star ballot. you know? anyway, aside from all this bs, why are you even bringing up facts from the 94 teams when i already acknowledged that van gundy didn't coach that year. this is the problem with crackheads. they keep on reminding me that van gundy didn't coach that year and then they use irrelevant facts to try to win arguments. you guys are the ones doing all the research on the 94 teams. do you get orgasms from researching these facts or something? cause you and crazyjoedavola seem to really enjoy arguing this by bringing up facts from the 94 team that you guys keep on mentioning weren't part of van gundy's resume. plus you guys really do seem to put a lot of effort into arguing irrelevant facts. fact: van gundy has a reputation for being a good defensive coach. fact: rudy doesn't. 'nuff said, end of discussion. this is my opinion and if you did a poll, van gundy would get a higher percentage for better defensive coach. i wonder why jerry west, a known expert on basketball, wants van gundy to coach his team. it's been mentioned as well. could it be because of defense.
So I guess the way to prepare an arguement would be to make generalized/incorrect statements (thave have been refuted by fact) like you have? Being named as a bench player in an all-star game carries just as much weight as being selected as a starter because reserves are selected by the coach. I can not believe you are discrediting a player for being an all-star in order to support your theories. A product of hype? He was selected by the coaches!!!! I guess the coaches don't know what they are doing when they select the reserves. Thorpe was a 10 year vet at the point and was on the all-star ballott. So was Horry (cause he was a starter). Cassell was not all-star starter material his rookie year, so his absence from the ballott is irrelevant. You are the one that brought up the 94 Knicks team in the first place!!! In case you don't remember, here is your quote: Quote: actually, it was van gundy. but the fact that his team took the rockets to seven games is already impressive in my opinion. all he had at the time were patrick ewing, and john starks. ewing is no where near hakeem. and starks is not a consistent shooter and very streaky. that's not a good combination. for his team to even make it close, shows what a good coach he is. Funny how you critisize us for bring up facts of the 94 Knicks to refute your theories when your whole theory that Van Gundy is a better coach than Rudy has been based SOLELY on arguements about the 94 Knicks. Your theories have been based on nothing but the 94 Knick team. Nothing else. Not facts. Just your opinion. So I guess having one of the top 10 defensive teams in the league in 7 out of the 11 years that he has coached doesn't count? Rudy's teams (with the exception of Francis's 1st few years and the Barkley years, have always been good defensively. I have a poll for you to start: Who is the worst poster on this BBS? Which poster ignores every # and stat that is put in front of him when debating a point? Which poster resorts to name calling when 100% of his arguements are shot down?
If spiral is indeed JVG himself, I like him to be our coach. He's persistent. He doesn't give up even in the face of certain defeat. He is tenacious against all his opponents. He uses all the devices he can grap for his offense and defense. Don't you think he's way better than Rudy as our head coach?
mr. crackhead crazyjoedavola, i already acknowledged that i was wrong about jeff van gundy coaching the 94 team. what the f**k do you want? a written apology or something a$$hole? why you keep on bringing up the 94 team even after i acknowledged i was wrong is the issue. you need psychiatric help. no wonder your name is CRAZY JOE. in those days, i'm not sure if the bench players were voted on or chosen by coaches. i think the rules changed. i'm not sure. opinion on starks game certainly can't hurt if the ny media hypes him up. he only made the all star team one time and i can name several better shooting guards at the time. mitch richmond was better. reggie miller was better. penny hardaway was better. doesn't that show starks is overhyped? i have a poll for you. which poster has a name called crazy and is definitely psychotic? which poster apparently has some kind of vendetta against me and is trying oh so hard and researching night and day to try to embarrass me? i stated a simple opinion on jeff van gundy being a better coach and you turn a thread about jeff van gundy being on around the horn into an all out debate on who is the better coach. sounds like you got issues cause you even quoted things i said in other threads.
Wasn't your argument that JVG is a better coach based on the 94 Knicks team and how he made the Rockets go to 7 games?? That's why I think they keep bringing it up, because that's what you based your argument on.
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How old are u 12!Ohhh I'm so clever I'm gonna change what BMW writes and act like he writes it!! Seeing how you are giving everyone a hard time, I'm just giving you a hard time buddy!!
i only stated a simple opinion that i think jeff van gundy is a better coach by basing it on the knicks performance vs the rockets. but this thread isn't even about jeff van gundy vs rudy t. this is about him being on around the horn and i already admitted i was wrong about van gundy coaching that team. should i give him a written apology for stating an opinion? NO! there is no real comparison i can use. but crazyjoe apparently likes to use the 94 comparison even after i admitted being wrong about van gundy coaching that team. i'm not the one who turned this into a f**king debate. i just stated an opinion. crazyjoedavola started taking **** way too seriously and was apparently offended by my opinion. he even started quoting stuff i said in other threads.
Keep up the name calling. I have thick skin. I think you are intitled to hold onto something and name calling is obviously the only thing you have left. You don't have to be sure. It is a fact, whether you are sure or not, that reserves are selected by the coaches. You are getting sidetracked (again). You are tearing down Starks in order to show that he was not as good as Max when the stats tell a different story. Once again, you discredit a player for what he did do and credit another player for what he didn't to. I don't have to embarass you. You have done a fine job of that all by yourself. Just look around at all the other posters who have called you out like I have (the ones that you responded to with insults rather than sound arguement). You are not stating your opinion. You forcing your opinion on others as fact. Like right here: Quote: fact: van gundy has a reputation for being a good defensive coach. fact: rudy doesn't. I have issues with your theories. Thats what this BBS is for. If you don't like people quoting the silly things that you say, then don't say them (especially when you are being serious). I hope the Admins make note of how you are conducting yourself (name calling and vulgar language).
love the posts crazy. I usually don't like when people argue with numbers, but you do a pretty good job with it and don't make too many assumptions from those #s. remind me not to get on your bad side. or something.
when in doubt, tell the teacher. you really need to stop being so damn sensitive. if i was really being serious, don't you think, i would have done all the research and quoted tons of facts and statistics like you did. it's not hard. you know. search google for facts, come here, act like a know it all, and then post and act like a smarta$$. that's what you did. would i have resorted to making jokes if i was being serious? when i told you, i didn't have time to argue this topic with you. you insisted i was wrong and called me a puss. you are the one forcing your opinion on others. so stop being hypocritical. this wasn't a debate to begin with, but you turned it into one. how you can seriously argue this when van gundy didn't even coach against rudy t's championship teams? aren't you always reminding me that van gundy didn't even coach that 94 team? why you insist on bringing up those 94 statistics even after i admit i was wrong about van gundy coaching that team is the issue. stating the fact that van gundy has a reputation for being a good defensive coach is basically just repeating what the general opinion out there in the media is. it is a fact that the media thinks of him that way. it's my opinion. but it is fact that he has a REPUTATION. reputation is based on what others think of him. rudy t's defense has been insulted on national tv.
Im a math geek. Stats don't always tell the whole story and I hate to rely so much on them. But when someone says stuff like "The Rockets were a better 3pt shooting team than the Knicks", then the stats have to be used to prove that statement false. Spiral's problem is, he tries to support his arguements with wild theories and when those theories are disproven by showing stats/facts, he has to resort to name calling. Of course, I am gullible for keeping up the pissing match when it is obvious he has no leg to stand on. Its hard to let go. I hope the Admins put this thread of its misery soon and save me from my own self torment.
actually, crazyjoedavola's problem is he was pissed at me for some sarcastic remarks i made about how dumb new york's team is and how they would make a trade of their lottery pick and kurt thomas for eddie griffin and he's been stalking every post i made ever since .because he's a bitter old man with nothing better to do. how he can even consider jokes and sarcastic remarks theories of mine is what i find funny. crazyjoe's favorite saying was always: "You can't back up your theories." i don't have to cause i have no theory. i'm just stating my opinion that van gundy is a better coach and some of the stats you posted made no sense cause they're not related to what i was posting. and i don't understand stats cause i'm not a math geek like you admitted to being.
are you a knick fan or something? i distinctly remember cassell making clutch shots. i don't remember much about smith though.
