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Jeremy Lin's upside

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by meh, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. King1

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    This is pathetic. Whoever wrote that has the intelligence of a fire hydrant
     
  2. ConAim

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    "..intelligence of a fire hydrant"?? rofl.

    And your intelligence is comparing to what? :eek:
     
  3. yummyhawtsauce

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    What if the fire hydrant has built in smart apps? ;)

    On a serious note, I am a bit surprised to see McHale not pull Bev out when he picked up the 5th foul. But I guess we got the win still.
     
  4. Honeybager81

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    it's really simple, Kemba Walker got it going at the end, McHale trust Beverley more to neutralize him, although Beverley could not keep up with Walker either.
    Nobody could keep up with Walker yesterday, Rox tried Beverley, Lin, Parsons on him, he was able to either blow by the defender or get space for his shots, but he did not finish the rim well, did not shoot well either, our help defense was good. Actually, to be fair, Lin's d on Walker was relatively better yesterday, he used his size long arms harassing his shots. It is just that McHale trusts Beverley's D more down the stretch, which is understandable.
     
  5. Honeybager81

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    a fire hydrant does not have an IQ. Although King1's IQ is eternally close to Zero, at least he has one, so King1 is more intelligent. :grin:
     
  6. haoafu

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    Lin and TJ defended Walker pretty well.
     
  7. gamor

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    both harden and lin need ball in hand to shine, plus both are soft on defence side. So move beverly to start with harden is a good choice. Kind like Howard and Asik situation.

    Rocket do need to trade away lin and Asik, wasting talents.
     
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    IF there weren't lof fanatics on this forum and also no 15m balloon payment, would you want to keep Lin as 6th man?
     
  9. bobloblaw

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    It's not clear yet that Lin is capable of being a top notch 6th man. I would appreciate his talent if he was in the 6 million/year range.
     
  10. SunsRocketsfan

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    he needs to be consistent first...if he can avg 15pts off the bench consistently than hell yea. it's hard not to root for the kid.
     
  11. pwnyxpress

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    no way. you're saying if we shaved $2M off the books a yr, you'd suddenly "appreciate" Lin's talent? haha come on...
     
  12. RedJinx

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    Ok so let's make it more interesting, which 6th man pg would you trade for if you wouldn't keep em.
     
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    Reggie Jackson? Collison? Jarrett Jack? IDK
     
  14. archinkent

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    Just so you know, Bev actually only had 3 fouls. The commentator got it wrong.
     
  15. Midixinormous

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    If he can consistently perform like he's capable of, yes.

    Find it hard to make a decision right now because his performance fluctuates so much between potential 6th man of the year and a complete disaster.

    Lin's decision making and defense are not great but that's perfect fine for the 6th man role.Since we only need him to score. But when he's struggling offensively it's hard to justify giving him a lot of minutes.
     
  16. Midixinormous

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    Ok let's take a step back, Lin's more of a SG than PG. His role off the bench is to score, so to narrow it down to 6th man pg is wrong. What the Rockets need coming off the bench is someone who can score, not to play PG.
     
  17. sun12

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    Wrong question.

    The right question is: why can't Mchale work with Kyle Lowry? Oh, I got it, it is Lowry's problem.

    or Why did Rox let Goran Dragic leave? Oh, I got it again, Goran is not that important because Rox wants to sign a star player.

    Oh, by the way, both Lowry and Dragic blow up in Toronto and Phoenix respectively.

    Let's face it, the PG position in Rox is not the priority, 10mpg, 20mpg is not going to hurt the team.

    Lin is a goner, better to guess which team he will go instead of talking about the minutes.
     
  18. fluors

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    I don't know. Maybe. Depends on whether you believe your eyes or the numbers. Beverley is obviously a good defender but is it possible that Harden and Lin are better defenders than what we see with the naked eye?

    2013-2014 Defensive Ratings (DefRtg) at nba.com (If this has been posted already, please remove and/or ignore): http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerGe...wsPerPage=50&filters=MIN*GE*28&Season=2013-14. These are individual stats and not derived from or adjusted for player combinations; e.g., stats derived from player combination/lineup are better indicators or markers of individual contributions to a team):

    Player---------------DefRtg--------League Rank (2013-2014)

    Jeremy Lin----------101.2----------32nd
    Patrick Beverley----101.5----------35th
    James Harden-------102.3----------47th
    Dwight Howard-----102.3----------49th
    Chandler Parsons---103.7-----------71st

    The Rockets currently own the 10th best defense in the league (via nba.com): http://stats.nba.com/leagueTeamGene...onType=Regular Season&pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=30. That’s a good thing; maybe even championship good (?). We will know the answer to that soon enough. As seen, that # 10 ranking is made possible by some very good 1 on 1 defenders on this team. Beverley is justifiably recognized as a good defender but maybe Lin and Harden are not as bad as some of bus elieve them to be. The rankings place both Beverley and Lin in the Top 10 defending PGs in the league (I didn’t include Derrick Rose for obvious reasons).

    Last season (2012-2013), Asik rated 101.3, Howard rated 101.7, Parsons rated 103.2, Lin rated 104.0 and Harden was at 104.4. I don’t know the reason but it does appear that Howard and Parsons have fallen off this season compared to last while Harden and Lin are much improved. I couldn’t find a 2012-2013 stats for Beverley but don’t need them as his defense is not questioned as much as Harden and Lin. Obviously I have no say in these matters but if Morey trades Lin and Asik I hope he gets back players of equal or superior talent. If he doesn't, the second unit will definitely be adversely affected.

    By the way the top four 2013-2014 defenders in the league, all sub-100, belong to the Indiana Pacers (David West, Roy Hibbert, George Hill and Paul George).
     
  19. nchan

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    Lin's role is more of a SG yet he can't shoot especially the 3pts. Something is wrong here. He average only 8 shots per game, he needs to be efficient night in and night out. to be fair, he's role differ from games to games. Sometimes he's in the game just for defensive purpose only, which surprise me because clutch fans keep insisting Jeremy can't defend.
     
  20. Maikeru

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    A frisbee :p
     

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