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Could Duncan be just as good or better than the dream

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by nateb40, May 16, 2003.

  1. Go_Spurs_Gooooo

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    Um, that was because the Spurs couldn't double team Hakeem because of all the great shooters the Rockets had. The Rockets however could double team Robinson constantly because the Spurs had no great help for him. That was what decided the series. More overall talent. That doesn't mean Hakeem had as much talent as David individually, it just means he had more talented team. As if that proves anything!
     
  2. Bailey

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    Oh, and the true greats step up for the big games. Fact is, all of Robinson's averages fall in the playoffs (except rebounds).

    Hakeem has a higher FG%, FT%, RPG, APG, BPG and PPG. All while defences were keying in on him.
     
  3. Go_Spurs_Gooooo

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    That wasn't what happened. It was the doubleing the Rockets could do on the damiral and the Spurs couldn't do on Olajuwon. The more talented TEAm won, but that doesn't make Olajuwon the better player over David.

    I'd still like to know how the Rockets lost to the Jazz with all that talent they had that year. Malone ripped Barkley, Stockton tore y'all a new one every game, and I saw that sack of crap Ostertag outplay Hakeem the last game! That was a vintage Hakeem performance, huh? You put a healthy Robinson in place of Olajwon on that team with Glide and Barkems and the Rockets wipe the floor with 'em!
     
  4. Bailey

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    Yeah that team Robinson had in 1995 really sucked, didn't it? I mean, they only compiled the best record in the entire NBA regular season that year.

    :rolleyes:
     
  5. CrazyJoeDavola

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    Lets take a look here:

    NBA Titles - Advantage Hakeem

    Rookie of the Year - Advantage Robinson

    Regular Season MVPs - Even

    NBA Finals MVPs - Advantage Hakeem

    Defensive Player of the Year Awards - Advantage Hakeem

    All NBA First Team Awards - Advantage Hakeem

    All NBA Defensive Team Awards - Advantage Hakeem

    All-Star Apperances - Advantage Hakeem

    Scoring Titles - Advantage Robinson

    Rebounding Titles - Advantage Hakeem

    Blocked Shot Titles - Advantage Hakeem

    PPG - Advantage Hakeem

    PPG Playoffs - Advantage Hakeem

    RPG - Advantage Hakeem

    RPG Playoffs - Advantage Hakeem

    APG - Even

    APG Playoffs - Advantage Hakeem

    BPG - Advantage Hakeem

    BPG Playoffs - Advantage Hakeem

    SPG - Advantage Hakeem

    SPG - Playoffs - Advantage Hakeem

    FG% - Advantage Robinson

    FG% Playoffs - Advantage Hakeem

    And to top it all of, Hakeem is the all time leader in blocked shots and HUMILIATED Robinson in their only head to head matchup in the playoffs.

    Come on Go Go Spurs. Try to dimiss facts and quit trying to throw silly subjective criteria like "Olajuwon couldn't get passed the Jazz in 97" and "David didn't have as much talent". Come on cowboy....GO GO GO GO!!!!!!!!

    ;)
     
  6. CrazyJoeDavola

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    This did not happen and you know it didn't. :rolleyes:

    I swear, this is why Spur fans are so irittating. Can not accept reality and have to resort to grossly subjective critera and lies.
     
  7. Go_Spurs_Gooooo

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    They weren't in the playoffs because Dave was out injured almost the entire year. Wow, kick a guy while he's down huh? I would expect nothing less from blind fans such as you.

    Double teams versus single coverage tends to make one player look better than another. Hakeem's more talented squad made him look better while David had no such help and so he got doubled constantly, taking his stats down Olajuwon's inflated.

    No, the Spurs were LESS talented. That's what I've always said. Rodman wasn't a scorer so he wasn't going to be a credible threat offensively to the Rockets, and Elliot was no match for the plethora of shooters the Rockets had to support Hakeem.
     
  8. Band Geek Mobster

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    Go_Spurs_Gooooo is the exact reason why I can never root for the Spurs in any series just like I can never root for the Jazz in any series. You could take away the players and replace them with the classiest bunch of guys, but that won't change the fact that Spurs and Jazz fans are the dumbest fans in the NBA.

    I think even suggesting that David Robinson is as good if not better than Hakeem Olajuwon is a ban-able offense. A person that thinks this way obviously lacks the ability to post with any sort of intelligence and drags everyone else down with him or herself when they try to reply to their tripe.

    Spurs fan, you are a moron, plain and simple.
     
  9. CrazyJoeDavola

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    So if Hakeem had more talent around him than David (which is not true), then shouldn't Hakeem stats be that much lower than David's? When superstars are on teams that have no talent, are their stats not normally HIGHER because they have to carry a heavier load? :rolleyes:
     
  10. Bailey

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    What he said!
     
  11. Go_Spurs_Gooooo

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    With Hakeem it was the opposite. The reason? Because those outside threats in Cassell, Maxwell, Horry, Drexler took a lot of pressure off him and made it hard for teams to double team him. THey'd pay if they did, so they'd play straight up more often and Hakeem could pump up his stats. With David it was exactly the opposite, which took his stats donw like in that Rockets series, and since his teammates couldn't step up his team also lost.

    Hakeem had the best of both worlds, but David was still the superior overall player in his prime.
     
  12. Go_Spurs_Gooooo

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    Not for long. As for stats, if they were really so impprtant Karl Malone would be top 2-3 all time as far as players. Don't make me laugh, or puke!
     
  13. Bailey

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    I'll say it again, since you've conveniently failed to explain how Robinson's cr*ppy team went 62-20 in the regular season.

    The best center ever only shoots .477 from the floor in playoff basketball?
     
  14. CrazyJoeDavola

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    I would like to address the "better shooters" arguement.

    Sean Elliott shot 47% from the field and 41% from the 3 pt line that year.

    Vinny Del Negro shot 49% from the field and 41% from the 3 pt line that year.

    Chuck Person shot 42% from the field and 39% from the 3 pt line.

    Robert Horry shot 44% from the field and 38% from the 3 pt line.

    Kenny Smith shot 48% from the field and 42% from the 3 pt line.

    Sam Cassell shot 42% from the field and 33% from the 3 pt line.

    Mario Elie shot 50% from the field and 39% from the 3 pt line.

    That year, the Spurs, as a team, shot 48% from the field and 38% from the 3 pt line.

    That year, the Rockets, as a team, shot 47% from the field and 33% from the 3 pt line.

    So who exactly has the "Better shooters"?
     
  15. Bailey

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    That one isn't going to change though, is it?
     
  16. Go_Spurs_Gooooo

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    It's easier for great players to hide their teams faults in teh regular season, it's the playoffs where lack of depth is many times exposed. That's what happened to David and the Spurs in 95, when he was constantly doubled and nobody else could step up and help. Game over because when it happened.
     
  17. CrazyJoeDavola

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    Amazing. Whatever edge Hakeem has categorically (which is in every category), is not important. :rolleyes:

    Gotta love how Spur fans dismiss FACTS in an effort to discredit Hakeem.
     
  18. CrazyJoeDavola

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    I can't believe you continue to lie like this. They were both doubled. In fact, I remember Charles Jones (yes, 75 year old Charles Jones) stopping David one on one without any help during certain stretches. Explain that.
     
  19. Go_Spurs_Gooooo

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    Rockets were injured much of that season, so are you gonna say that they were truly a 6th seed based off the regular season? Nooooo, and you also wouldn't just look at the regular season while ignoring the playoffs either. Rockets shooters shot the lights out in the playoffs, things went dim for the Spurs in that series against the Rockets. Rockets showed who had the most talent that year from outside, and it wasn't the Spurs.
     
  20. Go_Spurs_Gooooo

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    Yep, but when Hakleem was doubled his shooters made the Spurs pay. David's didn't, so he got doubled much more and his team lost. The more talented team won, no question, but that doesn't make Hakeem the better Center.
     

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