Patterson has a sweet mid-range shot, but unfortunately, he's not good at anything else....there's a reason he's a bench player on a weak team after not being a starter on another weak team. I sort of get why people romanticize past players like that, but it doesn't make it any more accurate. The Rockets situation at the 4 is MUCH better with Jones and DMo than it was with those two tweeners.
Good job cherry picking his Toronto stats because they fit your argument. You're better than that. For the SEASON he is shooting .465% and .357% from 3 in 54 total games. This same guy who has been averaging 4 points per game over the last five coming into today. On the season, 8.7 points, 5.4 rebounds, and a diehard fan base of a few people who see his production as the missing piece to the puzzle for this Rockets team. How soon we forget how we were debating last year if Morris was actually the better fit at starting PF until he unexpectedly started knocking down 3 pointers. I'm not trying to hate on Patterson, I think he would fit well with this team as presently constructed, but he is vastly overrated by some on this site. December 2012. Thread topic: Is PF our weakest position? It's a good read, check it out to refresh your memory. If you don't have that much time, just read the first page and the last page lol. Suddenly after they're gone, they're remembered fondly, but that had to be the softest and worst rebounding PF combination in the entire league. I'm fine with one, but not both and like I said, Casspi and Morris are interchangeable as far as I'm concerned. Patterson is a decent player, but he is not a huge difference maker either. Time to stop putting these guys on a pedestal they don't deserve and never earned. They had good games and equally bad games. Reminds me of how you break up with a girl and one day something makes you start thinking about her and how great she was, but all the stuff she used to do to piss you off seems a little harder to remember. You facebook stalkers know what I'm talking about! http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=231256&highlight=pattrick+patterson+marcus+morris
If you think Patterson was only a "mid range" shooter then you don't understand the game very well. Mistake free role players are EXTREMELY valuable. He would be a monster upgrade right now for us.
I think the best part of havig TJ and DMO on the team over M.Morris and 2Pat is that they give the team completely different approach, they are both good young prospects that doesn't cost much and can still reach al-star level, no to mention being starters in the league alongside being a good trade baits if a good offer comes along and I already heard that few teams were really interested in DMO before the trade deadline like Mavericks, but Morey probably wanted Dirk not a first round pick and offered Asik alongside and that didn't worked for the Mavs who still plan on reaching PO. anyway, I'm happy that Morey trusted in the current team and didn't made any major changes letting the guys play it out in the PO and see what happen's, because there are much discussion on what we should improve, PG or PF position and making a mistake at this stage would be crucial, especially that we can win against anyone, even OKC and MIA or Pacers
So, err, uh : Spoiler Not to say that I think your argument that we need a better starting PF this season does not have some merit (I would love if TJones would come off the bench (god we need help from there)), but your posts in this thread have been so full of braggadocio, overconfidence and, apparantly, false predictions -- I mean, people are legally required to call you out, right?
Rockets PF solution; rotate out whichever one sucks and hopes the other one doesn't... sounds dangerous and I kind of dig it.
Back and forth we go, we have 2 young PFs who are going to be up and down, let the one playing the best a particular night get the most minutes. DD
This. He really plays so well at home, it's alarming. Even if he has okay games on the proud, it's nothing like the games he has at home. Home games - Start Jones Away games - Dmo time!
Look, just because Jones is getting more points and rebounds per game than Patterson ever has, while doing it at better FG% and with less turnovers than Patterson ever has, AND also providing some rim protection in the form of weak side shot blocking, does not mean Jones is in any way better than Patterson. And just because the team shoots better with Jones on court (as opposed to him off court) and scores more while allowing less with Jones on (as opposed to him off), and in fact performs better in every way with him playing, as opposed to him not playing, does not mean Jones is in any way better than Patterson I mean, Patterson COULD do all those things, he just chooses not to.... Patterson would be ok coming off the bench for the Rockets, bringing a bit of spacing - but just because he's in the midst of a hot streak (42% from downtown) does NOT mean he cuts or moves on offence well, or is a better defender (he is marginally better man on man, more because Jones is awful 1 on 1 at the moment, but PP is not good on the team rotation thing)
There's more than an argument for Goran - it's almost a no-brainer. Cheaper and vastly superior to the one who got the ca$h in the end. Probably not as savvy a marketing ploy though, and that darn player option WILL be exercised.
Half of me agrees with you. The other half is thinking about how that fear of getting minutes may hinder actual performance. Dunno if it does. Anyone have stats on it?
I recall someone on here knocking Jones because he doesn't play well against good teams. I wonder if that member would like to elaborate on what happened tonight?
Most of Terrence Jones' recent problems were on the defensive end. His "poor" offensive games have been typical D. Mo games that some people get all excited about. His defensive regression recently is what led to McHale going with D. Mo who was surprisingly playing solid defense. I love D. Mo's skill set and I really want him to put it all together soon, but I can't say he has done enough to even justify this being a serious consideration at this point. I would say Jones' slump has been a little exaggerated because the expectations for him are now much higher. For the month of February (10 total games) which doesn't include the last 2 games obviously as they were played in March, Jones averaged 10.0 points and 5.3 rebounds on 55% and 33% from 3 in 25 minutes. Clearly not an offensive slump. Less minutes and thus less opportunity due to being a bonehead on defense. D. Mo averaged 7.5 points and 3.2 rebounds on 47% and 41% from 3 in 19.7 minutes. I would say Jones went into his slump 10 games ago against Milwaukee which was ironic because that was the same team he dropped 36 on earlier in the year. Looking at the boxscores from that Milwaukee game until tonight... 19 and 12 against MIA...D. Mo had 1 and 1 22 and 10 against DET...D. Mo had 7 and 2 4 and 4 against LAC...D. Mo had 8 and 4 and MUCH better defense. 11 and 5 against Sac...D. Mo had 5 and 1. 15 and 7 against PHX...D. Mo had 7 and 5 6 and 3 against GS...D. Mo had 5 and 2 4 and 5 against Was...D. Mo had 11 and 4 and clearly outplayed TJ 14 and a Pattrick Patterson special 0 rebounds against Min...D. Mo had 9 and 5 and earned minutes with better defense 2 points and 5 rebound against Mil...D. Mo had 9 and 1 No need to replace Jones in the starting lineup. If he isn't playing defense, just sub him out. Coach him up. Simple as that, but he has undeniably put up the best stat lines from that position on a regular basis than any PF that has put on Rockets red since Luis Scola. I looked up stats for Carl Landry, Jordan Hill, Patrick Patterson, and Marcus Morris and none of them put up double doubles like Terrence Jones. D. Mo has had one really great game all year. That was the 12 points and 13 rebounds he put up on Dallas on Jan. 29th. He needs to step it up again or he will find himself 3rd string PF behind Casspi like he was earlier in the year.
Small sample size? Like someone said, Jones and Motiejunas are taking turns playing well. . . or bad depending on how you look at it. Maybe it's just me. It feels like the two dudes never both play well in the same game.
But they don't usually play bad both at the same game as well. It's all good, they have a lot of preasure on their shoulders right now and if we won't a championship I;m pretty sure most of fans will blame weak PF spot or coach McHale or even Morey who couldn't find someone more experienced at that spot. It's all good, because even if we would win the championship there would be people who would find what to complain about. , lol. Today is a game against Orlando, really expecting a blowout and some extra minutes for bench including DMO if he won't play as bad as he did yesterday ( all bench did tho). And in my opinion DMO would do better playing with Bev, Howard, Parsons and TJones wouldn't do so good with a backup squad. And to the guy who compared TJ and DMO stats you could have added assist numbers, because there were nights were DMO got 3-4? of them on nightly basis and for playing 20 minutes it''s not bad.
