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Say Goodbye to Jordan Hamilton?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Mar 1, 2014.

  1. justtxyank

    justtxyank Member

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    Carl's threads are either bashing Morey for the moves he didn't make or pointing out the downsides in the moves he did make.

    Oh, so you like the guy that Morey traded for? Well get ready to lose him!

    Trollololol
     
  2. saintja2

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    "However, if the team declines either option and the player becomes a free agent, the team cannot re-sign him to a salary greater than he would have received had the team exercised its option."

    The team = Denver

    It would be pretty ridiculous if Houston was bound to that.
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  3. Zergling

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    Yeah that's what I'm thinking. There has to be some sort of verbiage on what happens if the player is traded to another team after the original team declines his team option.

    Maybe we can tell him we'll sign him to one year for the 2 million with the promise he'll get a better deal after that.

    I would think Hamilton would want to stay since the Rockets by making this trade in the first place show him that they are very interested and are giving him a chance to make a difference in the playoffs. I expect the team to be even better next year with a possible 3rd all-star joining the team.

    Plus Houston is a very player-friendly place and no state income tax. And he went to college nearby.
     
  4. Zergling

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    What if Carl is actually Daryl Morey and he's simply trolling himself to validate his greatness through other poster's feedback of said trolling posts?

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  5. RocketsJumer

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    A shame because Hamilton has been growing on me as a player. He replaced Garcia and Casspi in 2 games, he is one of my favorite players for that lol. But can we sign him to a one year deal and see if we can get him more money later?

    But hopefully, it will work out someway.
     
  6. NotChandlerParsons

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    Come on guys. Its been 3 games. Even if he keeps up this level of play, well it'd be nice to have him back for $2m and if not we traded an expiring player for him so it's nice to have the good wing play for the rest of the season.
     
  7. ooooaaaah!

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    I think its a question of whether the Rockets feel they have what they need to win a championship or not. If they do, the will pay the luxury because they said they would. They would sign everybody to whatever they want. If they feel they have too big of a hole at pg or pf, then probably not. Also, J Ham could replace Chandler. The talent and style of play are there. The Rockets are in a good place. Morey has done a great job and the idiots that talk about Dragic and Lowery seem to forget the circumstances, ie Dragic wanted to live in Phoenix and Lowery is f**king head case.
     
  8. Carl Herrera

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    Actually, no. These kind of rights and restrictions generally carry-over via trades. If Houston can be free from this kind of restriction while Denver is subject to it. Then if a team declines a player's team option and the player begins to play well, that team can then trade the player free of the salary restriction for a higher value than the player's contract would have if the team keeps him.

    I believe Jordan Hill went through the same thing. The Rockets declined his 4th year team option, then traded him midseason to the Lakers. He began playing well for the Lakers and there was worry that the Lakers would be outbid for his services. They ended up keeping him for the same money ($3.66M) as they could have paid him under the scale.
     
  9. meh

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    This.

    Good GMs find players like Hamilton for cheap and crappy GMs sign players like Hamilton to big money. Morey's job isn't to retain Hamilton at the end of the season. His job is to find another Hamilton off the scrap heap.
     
  10. DrNuegebauer

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    Seriously???

    It would be ridiculous if houston wasnt bound by that. His contract stipulations cant suddenly change because he goes go a new club.

    Houston knew option was declined when they took him and knew the re-signing issues involved
     
  11. HamJam

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    So, as someone else mentioned, I wonder if we can do a backloaded contract, with the first year at 2.1 million and subsequent years at more?

    But really, I am only wondering that out of curiosity -- because I don't think we want to give a multi year mid level contract to Hamilton. He is playing solid, and I think he is a really great backup, but I think Morey could replace him for less than 4 million per year.
     
  12. saintja2

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    Well, as I understand it, this particular rule is in place to prevent teams from circumventing the 1st round pick salary scale. It's perfectly understandable that Denver cannot do that but to me it doesn't make sense that Houston is handcuffed by it yet all the other teams (minus Denver I guess) can offer him more.

    Of course Houston knew what it got into, I'm not complaining about that. Just feels a little bit weird to me but whatever.

    And contract stipulations can change, there are trade kickers etc. and I'm sure some incentives can be effectively manipulated by trading the player as well.
     
  13. khanhdum

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    something a bit off topic though, doesn't this rule apply to Parsons? meaning we couldn't decline team option to pay him more?
     
  14. saintja2

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    Not a 1st round pick, same rules don't apply to him.
     
  15. Bandwagoner

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    If only we still had Patrick Patterson amirite?
     
  16. khanhdum

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    yea didn't click on CH's link to see it was just 1st round players before I made the comment
     
  17. MichaelG281713

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    Who gives a ****? He cost us Aaron Brooks.

    Morey will find somebody else when the time comes. Same with Parsons.
     
  18. Carl Herrera

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    -Just had a twitter exchange with BimaThug, and:

    1. He confirmed that the Rockets are subject to the same restriction that Denver was in offering no more than $2.1M to Hamilton.

    2. BimaThug explained that the Rockets can sign him to a multi-year contract up to 5 years with up to 7.5% annual raises using his Bird Rights. However, the 7.5% annual raise must be based on the up to $2.1M first year salary, and there is no sudden "ballooning" after the first season like how it works with the "Gilbert Arenas" free agents.

    - The $7.5% raise starting at $2.1M would mean a contract of up to 5 years and up to $12.2M or so. If Hamilton plays relatively well for the rest of the season, there will likely significantly more attractive contracts out there.

    - Where did I bash Morey for this contract or put down the trade? Simply explaining the facts.
     
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  19. llRainmanll

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    Someone's late to the party...
     
  20. AroundTheWorld

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    Wow, I have never seen anyone with so many tweets and such few followers. It's like you are constantly talking to yourself.

    Forever alone.
     

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