He also played in 4 more games and was in a faster paced offense, while surrounded by first rounders.
What "slowed him down" is there weren't any defenders chasing him. Some guys just have a different gear in game situations. The combine, IMHO, is just a way to simplify the evaluation process. How players play in games is what's most important.
I'm sorry but a small qb isn't someone I want my team using their #1 overall pick on. Clowney or Robinson please
Yeah, it would totally suck to have a small QB that is like Russell Wilson or Drew Brees. Must stick to the big guys like Schaub and Dalton.
So to make the argument you pick 2 of the only small qb's to have made it and both who were picked after the first round, and counter it with two other qbs who were picked in the second round. Like I said I have issues taking Johnny with the #1 overall pick. Just a lot of risk with a smaller qb. He wasn't the healthiest guy playing against fellow college players. For a #1 overall qb it really needs to be a sure thing or else you're stuck with Sam Bradford for the next 3-4 years. That's what I want to avoid.
...there was nothing circular about that argument. You could possibly say it was a weak opinion or weak logic....but absolutely zero circular logic going on there.
Elite franchises take risks. Besides, imagine if both Clowney and Manziel turn out to be studs in the NFL. A stud QB will impact a team far more than a stud DE. This team needs a large boost from this number 1 pick overall that the team tanked so hard to get. How much can a great DE do for a 2-14 team? How much can a great qb do for a 2-14 team? A lot more.
I don't understand the thought process behind wanting Clowney. Best case scenario is that he turns out to be great, and then you lose him at some point because you just cannot afford to pay both him and Watt what they would be worth. I'm all for Manziel, and I think it would be a huge mistake to pass on him. However, I could at least understand if they went Bridgewater or traded down to get multiple selections. Drafting Clowney just doesn't seem like a realistic option to me.
Watch "Johnny Manziel Highlights 2013-2014" on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LAUgtNtoDE&feature=youtube_gdata_player Johnny Football... Will his style translate to the NFL and is it worth spending a #1 pick on him...??? I don't know but considering there's no sure fire #1 pick in this draft _ why not...
People thought I was crazy for saying this in another thread, but this is a HUGE issue. Clowney is a "Pay Me Rick" type of guy. If anyone thinks he is going to be an All-Pro type player and be happy to sit on his rookie contract for four years they are crazy. Let's say he is elite, JJ Watt type player. You have 3 years before you are going to need to redo his contract or deal with him being a nuisance. That's not character assassination. This guy gave serious thought to sitting out an entire college season to ensure his salary in the NFL. If they believe Clowney is a once in a generation type player and that none of the QBs are, fine, take Clowney. But they are locking in a short window where they are going to have to thrive. You will be in desperate need of a QB who can lead you to a title quickly.
So, basically, in order to rebut a claim of Manziel's stats vs. Vicks being inflated due to his having played in a completely different era/system/paradigm of offensive efficiency due to the evolution of spread offense s- it's ok to cite Manziel's stats, like his completion percentage, as a reason for this. Circular reasoning is circular. Manziel would have put up a higher completion % than Vick in the modern era, because he has a higher completion %.
