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[Advanced Stats] Time of possession per player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Sajan, Feb 21, 2014.

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  1. Sajan

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    Lin's minus Beverley's mins (3.6*90%), bare minimum for bring the ball up.
     
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    That number is how long each player possesses the ball per game. For it to be meaningful you need to adjust for total minutes played.

    Once you do that you get the amount of time each player possesses the ball per minute played:

    Harden 4.6/38.7 = 0.1189

    Lin 3.9/31.1 - 0.1254

    Howard 1.8/34.6 = 0.5202

    Parsons 2.1/38 = 0.553

    Not really surprising since Harden and Lin are our two primary ball handlers.

    The interesting thing is that we share ball handling duties where other teams rely on one player. Here's an example:

    Chris Paul 7.3/34.7 = 0.2104

    Paul possesses the ball almost twice as long as Harden or Lin per minute played.
     
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    But I thought Lin didn't get to be a point guard because of Haren??
     
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    It is just who you compare to. Compared to teammates, Lin's time of possession is relatively high. Rightfully so. Compared to PGs on other teams, it is lower than most if not all. It shows nothing but that the Rockets play a unique system right now that minimizes the ball-handling duty of the PG.

     
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    This is why CP3 has much more assists per game than our guards, and most of other PGs who have more assists per game than he in the league.

    And this is why I am not that enthusiatic about getting elite PG with high assist rate like Rondo for our team, because our offensive philosophy and style actually require more balanced ball handling and assisting among more players on court, instead of channeling everything through one dominating PG.
     
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    I agree. Rondo's time of possession per min on the floor: 6.6/28.3=0.23, which is basically the sum of Lin and Harden. So you get the idea.

     
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    If we had someone like Rondo, we could adjust our offensive philosophy somewhat.

    The PGs we have are not competent to execute simple half court sets in 'true' PG style.
    Sure, they have other skills, but playmaking is not their thing.
     
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    Nah, he needs the ball in his hands that long so he can effectively hand the ball to Harden and stand in a corner /s.
     
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    x= basic PG duty, aka bring the ball up,pass around
    y= dominate play making

    Wall 37.3 8.0 mins

    37.3(x+y)=8.0

    Lin 31.3 3.9
    Beve 32 3.6

    48x + 15.3y =7.5

    x=0.129
    y=0.0855

    Lin+Beve play making = 15.3x0.085 = 1.31
     
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    BALL HOG!! Oops, my bad.

    Give the ball the Harden!
     
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    We don't got half court sets.
     
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    You forgot the 0 before the "5"

    Anyways to put this is better terms ...

    Percentage of time possessing ball when on court:

    Harden 11.89%
    Lin 12.54%
    Howard 5.20%
    Parsons 5.53%

    Keep in mind time on court counts time playing defense. Also adjust for how fast Rockets play on offense and you're looking at roughly 40% of time on court actually being offense. If someone can find stat for percentage of time Rockets possess the ball per game we can get exact number.

    If you use the 40% number for time Rockets are actually on offense then the time of possession for each player changes to ...

    Harden 29.7%
    Lin 31.4%
    Howard 13.0%
    Parsons 13.8%
     
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    Does that statistic include actual percentage carrying the ball before and after the halfway-line.
    time of possession pr.player has to account for actual ball-time on the last third of the court.
     
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    Lin almost always carries it to the last third, thats a large percentage of the time of possession pr.player.
     
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    I ran the same search but included everybody in the NBA. Lin's time of possession is around other backup PGs in the league except Lin plays 7-8 more minutes per game. It's definitely not the norm in the NBA.
     
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    Yes. But given how quickly the Rockets get into their sets, this stat really isn't as skewed as slower teams where the PG just walk up the court. Probably the only player that would be out of whack for is Beverley.
     
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    Rockets are truly a no PG team. Dead last in the league in time of possession. Even Norris Cole and Mario Chalmers are holding the ball more. :grin:

    Part of this is the system and part of this is on Lin and Beverley to be more aggressive. Beverley I kinda understand because thats not his strength, but Lin has got to be more assertive.

    From realgm.

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    So does that mean Lin's time of possession is about 25% less than the other backup PGs in the league?
     
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    I'd be interested in the time of possession per minutes played for the rotation guys on, let's say, the 93-'94 team. Our first championship team. The comparison might be fun.
     

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