Houston trades: SF Glen Rice (9.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.7 minutes) PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 16.8 minutes) Houston receives: SG Anfernee Hardaway (10.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 4.0 apg in 30.7 minutes) Change in team outlook: -2.7 ppg, +0.1 rpg, and +0.5 apg. Phoenix trades: SG Anfernee Hardaway (10.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 4.0 apg in 30.7 minutes) Phoenix receives: SF Glen Rice (9.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 62 games) PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 82 games) Change in team outlook: +2.7 ppg, -0.1 rpg, and -0.5 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Due to Houston and Phoenix being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Houston and Phoenix had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. the reason the rockets would do this is because they get a tall vet who played the pg position and can play d on taller sg, letting steve d up against the pg and letting him play sg on offence. the only downside is pennys contract is really big but he just has three years remaining and that is when yaos contract would be up to sign him to a big contract.
I don't think the Suns will trade with a team that is close to them in talent and one that is going to be fighting with them for playoff position for a long time.
signing Kenny Anderson with the exception would be a better option. If you want to commit the team to being over the salary cap the next few years, a better player could probly be had with the lure of Rice's contract. Hardaway? pfft.
Suns would do it if the team they are trading with are in the East or non-playoff contenders because Penny's has a long and expensive contract which they want to get rid of. He gets injured too often and his play does not live up to his pay, so I wouldn't want the Rocks to get tied up with his contract since we already have players like Taylor, Moochie, Rice and Cato getting paid heaps well sitting on the bench. -G'day-
If they weren't competing directly against each other, both teams would make the trade. Phoenix have Joe Johnson starting to play very well, and Penny is making a LOAD of money. However, Penny fits this team PERFECTLY, but the same can be said about how he its the Suns. I'd love to make the trade, and I think Phoenix would love to dump Penny's contract and give JJ the starting spot, but I think this last season was the beginning of a rivalry, and so I don't think we'll be trading partners anytime soon.
how about mobley and cato for penny? you get a point who is big enough to defend a 2 and allow francis to play an AI role, while at the same time you get rid of mobley, a player who doesnt fit in with houston's plans for yao anymore. forget penny for moochie+rice, no way the suns are going for those 2... suns needs are a center and another off-the-bench scorer (mobley)...
Explain to me again why we would want penny? Isn't he hurt all the time and very inconsistent from night to night? We've already got one of those, Glenn Rice, and his contract ends next season. Penny has played in 80 games once in the last seven seasons. Sounds like a lot of money for a guy to sit on the bench. I've got a pretty nice jumper from the 3 point arch, i can foul with the best of them, i've got bad ankles, why not hire me on for a quarter of what Penny makes? I'm willing to get a high ankle sprain in preseason and then spend the rest of the year on the bench whining about the pain. I'd have better seats than I usually get that way.
maybe for the penny of 8 years ago. nobody is going to give up 2 starters, let alone a center, for a washed up prima donna with a max contract.
This is something that I have thought about for a while. I think Penny Hardaway would be a god-send to this team. While he is a prima-donna, you watch him play and realize he is a selfless player who understands the game. Marbury ( who is like Francis) gets many open looks and another distributor with Penny in the game. Phoenix, though is having serious money problems with Marbury, Marion and Penny all getting the max and no one besides Amare in the front court. They have to realize they can't win like that. What I think would be a fair trade would be MoTaylor or Cato plus a Moochie. Then Phoenix gets a quality big man to play inside with Amare and Jake. I would trade Cato and Moochie for Penny in a heartbeat. They are simply paying too much to three wing players. Imagine a lineup of: Penny (Exception: Kenny Anderson) Francis Mobley Nachbar Morris Griffin Taylor Yao Collier Penny can: A. Run a fast break B. Set up an offense C. Pass extremely well to a big man (Shaq & Amare benefitted) D. Guard shooting guars while playing point E. Allow Francis to play as a two off the ball, but not get TORN by trying to defend shooting guards F. Have Mobley and his efficient salary be a gunner off the bench
I'd give up MoT and Moochie for Penny, no problem, but not Cato. The question is why would Pheonix break up their backcourt. Why would they give a starter for a 3rd string PG and a back up PF because Mo isn't going to start in from of AS. Why would they help somebody they have to contend with for a playoff spot? Why would we want a guard who will probably miss 20-30 games and doesn't out produce our own point guard? The only stat he's ever averaged better than Steve is TO and thats just 1 per game. *Trade value: PPG RPG APG TO Stl Blk Games MoT: 8.4 3.6 1.0 1.49 .33 .33 67 Moochie: 4.4 1.9 2.4 1.05 .67 .05 82 Penny: 10.6 4.4 5.7 2.82 1.14 .45 58 How does Penny compare to our front court? SF: 21.0 6.3 6.4 3.7 1.6 .43 81 CM: 17.5 4.2 2.6 2.18 1.18 .43 73 So while I wouldn't mind having a good three guard rotation trading anybody move valuable to our team than Mo and Moochie for his massive cap hit wouldn't make sense to me. *Stats based off last season.
Penny's knees have been healthy for the last 2 years, but he missed some games this year because of a thumb injury.
how about this: Penny for Cato+Moochie+Boki? It's a win-win for the Suns and Houston. Starting 5 for houston: pg penny sg francis sf posey pf griffin c yao sixth man - mobley (his ORIGINAL role, btw) Suns get a backup pg, a potential starting C, and a backup for Marion. WONDERFUL! for both teams
Moochie isn't even a back up PG anymore, the way he played last season he is definately a negative hit on anybody's cap. So penny missed 24 games with a bad thumb. So now he has another reoccuring injury to whine about and excuse himself from playing. He's lucky there is so much talent on that team that they made the playoffs without him. The guy isn't tough, doesn't play through pain, not since Shaq was with him to tell him he was a pu$$y. Like I said before, i'll give up a couple bench players for him just to get 50-60 positive games out him, but thats only because our guys aren't all that productive anyway. Not Cato, not for a broken down PG. If he's traded it needs to be for a tough PF.
I agree with OUTITAN, you can't give up Cato unless you're gonna get an enforcer back for him. The way he played this year, we have to get him for a backup center or a solid PF. No way are we packaging him away for something this risky. On the other hand I think Penny would be great for this team, and with his legs being healthy again (I believe his hand was the problem this year), he should be able to play 80+ games this season no problem. He's a great passer and will complement Stevie and YAO well. Also he can play D and he is a veteran, but not old. Go for it.
hell no. he is one of 3 or 4 players in the league that i would take moochie over. this guy shouldn't be in the nba anymore, and he couldn't contribute at all.
No way Phoenix would trade Penny for Rice. As of March 6 ( couldn't find anything more current) the Suns are: 24-14 with Penny 10-14 without Penny
