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CReyna · May 13, 2003

Weren't Payton and Garnett part of the "Fun Police"?

knifejc · May 14, 2003

Originally posted by Deuce
Talk about cryptic messeges! Anyone want to give this one a try?
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Couldn't it mean that the rockets are looking for a hustle type player someone who really puts in dirty work to play behind one one our current players

Deuce · May 14, 2003

Originally posted by knifejc
Couldn't it mean that the rockets are looking for a hustle type player someone who really puts in dirty work to play behind one one our current players
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Yeah, a hustle player is something the team definitely needs. Just more cagey, wiley veterans in general.

Perhaps with "police" he also means looking for an "enforcer" type of PF as well?

It will be intersting to see which veterans the Rockets bring in this summer.

RocketBurrito · May 14, 2003

Maybe he's just f-ing quoting songs he likes - sheez...

Deuce · May 14, 2003

Originally posted by RocketBurrito
Maybe he's just f-ing quoting songs he likes - sheez...
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I refuse to believe that! It must be a secret code!

Now, where is my decoder ring??

Easy · May 14, 2003

OK, "Police" = Enforcer

"Behind you" = Backup (not a starter)

"Men at Work" = Players still playing (in playoffs)

Or maybe somebody needs to do a search in all Men at Work lyrics to see if there's any hint.

Rocket River · May 14, 2003

Originally posted by SmeggySmeg
Men at Work of course i know them

combie
vegemite sandwich
chunder

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I use to always wonder what the hell these things were

Rocket River
vegemite???

mr_gootan · May 14, 2003

Olden Polynice

ErraticAssassin · May 14, 2003

Originally posted by MacBeth
There are two ways to run a long-term succesfull offense in the NBA, if history is anything to go by. There is the currently en vogue style of a stable of offensvie players who understand the game, share the ball, and run all day long,as begun by Portland, and currently being run by Sacramento and Dallas. But I think we can stop holding our breath on this one...for one thing all the teams that do this by necessity do so by overrunning the cap and paying the tax, something Les will not do for long, if at all. For another thing the players who are the stars in these offenses are all playmakers or team oriented to begin with...and one of our two is probably not best suited to that style.

The other way to go is to define your offense around your stars, and fit in everyone else. Our two stars are, like it or not, Steve and Yao. Yeah we could trade Stve, but generally when you trade stars because they're not fitting, you get baclk less than you give. I say we go another way. We need to figure out what Yao and Steve do best, build the offense around that, and get the right role players to fit in the cracks and do what they don't. [\QUOTE]

I agree. We had 3 offensive superstars on the same team at the same time with Hakeem, Barkley, and Drexler. There weren't enough balls to go around.

We need Yao to be our primary offensive weapon. He is taller and plays closer to the basket, and therefore has the best probability of making a basket. Having a slasher like Steve in the backcourt gives us offensive balance.

I think Nachbar will be huge for us in the future. He runs the floor well like Posey. Imagine Yao or Eddie blocking a shot and throwing the ball down court to Posey and Nachbar as they both run the floor for an easy transition basket. That's where the rest of our offense should come from.

Mobley does an adequate job, but someone needs to take him down a notch. He thinks he's better than he really is. I'm sick of watching him throw up a brick the second the ball touches his hand. He can take a shot if he's open, but he's not good enough to shoot with someone's hand in his face. He needs to pass first and shoot only if he finds himself wide open. He needs to realize that he's not Michael Jordan. He doesn't deserve to take as many shots as he does. Same with Moochie.

Rudy needs to make the team realize that Steve and Yao are the stars. The rest are role players. Rudy needs to define their roles and help them develop into their roles.
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SmeggySmeg · May 14, 2003

rocket river,

vegemite is great stuff, try http://www.vegemite.com.au for more info

MacBeth · May 14, 2003

Okay...1st things 1st...As much as Smeggy is My New Best Friend, I have to disagree with vegemite...It, like Haggus, must be an aquired taste where locals swear by it and newcomers swear after it. Just awful...*shudder*

Also...EA.. I wish that someone ( Clutch?) could post something...anything about what the hell happened to Boki this year, because I have absolutely nothing to go on.

Re: Doc Rocket...He might just have been quoting Footlose for the fun of it...or he may have hidden meanings, who knows? Fun to muddle through...

DavidS · May 14, 2003

What's better?

Vegemite, Pate', Sour Kraut or Bean Curd?

jopatmc · May 15, 2003

Originally posted by ErraticAssassin

Originally posted by MacBeth
There are two ways to run a long-term succesfull offense in the NBA, if history is anything to go by. There is the currently en vogue style of a stable of offensvie players who understand the game, share the ball, and run all day long,as begun by Portland, and currently being run by Sacramento and Dallas. But I think we can stop holding our breath on this one...for one thing all the teams that do this by necessity do so by overrunning the cap and paying the tax, something Les will not do for long, if at all. For another thing the players who are the stars in these offenses are all playmakers or team oriented to begin with...and one of our two is probably not best suited to that style.

The other way to go is to define your offense around your stars, and fit in everyone else. Our two stars are, like it or not, Steve and Yao. Yeah we could trade Stve, but generally when you trade stars because they're not fitting, you get baclk less than you give. I say we go another way. We need to figure out what Yao and Steve do best, build the offense around that, and get the right role players to fit in the cracks and do what they don't. [\QUOTE]

I agree. We had 3 offensive superstars on the same team at the same time with Hakeem, Barkley, and Drexler. There weren't enough balls to go around.

We need Yao to be our primary offensive weapon. He is taller and plays closer to the basket, and therefore has the best probability of making a basket. Having a slasher like Steve in the backcourt gives us offensive balance.

I think Nachbar will be huge for us in the future. He runs the floor well like Posey. Imagine Yao or Eddie blocking a shot and throwing the ball down court to Posey and Nachbar as they both run the floor for an easy transition basket. That's where the rest of our offense should come from.

Mobley does an adequate job, but someone needs to take him down a notch. He thinks he's better than he really is. I'm sick of watching him throw up a brick the second the ball touches his hand. He can take a shot if he's open, but he's not good enough to shoot with someone's hand in his face. He needs to pass first and shoot only if he finds himself wide open. He needs to realize that he's not Michael Jordan. He doesn't deserve to take as many shots as he does. Same with Moochie.

Rudy needs to make the team realize that Steve and Yao are the stars. The rest are role players. Rudy needs to define their roles and help them develop into their roles.
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One comment. One of our superstars is a team first player and will pass to the open man, is not concerned with stats but is concerned with W's.............that is Yao. We can have another star player like Brand who has great individual skills but will still play the team game. Because players like Yao are superstars who are role players, like Magic and Bird. Magic and Bird were superstars but they did whatever the team needed that particular night to win. If it meant passing out of the double, Larry passed out of the double, and the Celtics won. If it meant Magic taking open shots and scoring 25 because the defense was laying off him and taking away the passing lanes, Magic took the jumpers and hit them, and the Lakers won. That is what Yao is. He will play however he has to play for the Rockets to win. The guy is a winner, period. If we could get Stevie to think that way a little more and add another superstar that thinks that way, this team can handle 3 superstars. But if Stevie plays selfishly and we add another superstar that plays the same way, it won't work. It's all in the mentality of the player. The great ones make everybody else better, because they know the strengths of their teammates and play to those strengths, not for their own stat line.
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leebigez · May 16, 2003

Watching La get dismantled tonight, I thought it was appropiate to reopen this discussion. We Know Francis and Ming aren't on the same level as Shaq and Kobe. As good as Shaq and Kobe is, how much better would this team be if they had made the trade that would have netted them SAR? With Kobe having a off game and Shaq not being able to maintain the long ranging dominance, how could he change the outcome? What does have to do with Houston?

Many or some think we need role players, myself and a few other think we need thank very productive, very consistent 3rd scorer like SAR or Brand. The lull the Lakers hit tonight is the same one the rockets went through many times this season because of the inconsistent non effecient 3rd scorer that we idn't have. This team would be hell to play against with either SAR or Brand manning the 4 spot. Both are very effecient in the post and out to 15 ft, both are good rebounders and both seem to be ego less. When and if Francis are out of the game or Ming , the team would still be able to maintain offensive balance with one of these 2 still on the floor. Like I said before, the more consistent weapons you have, the better chance you have at winning. Defense can be from team perspective so don't give me this stuff about the defense getting weaker.

SLA · May 16, 2003

Originally posted by leebigez
Watching La get dismantled tonight, I thought it was appropiate to reopen this discussion. We Know Francis and Ming aren't on the same level as Shaq and Kobe. As good as Shaq and Kobe is, how much better would this team be if they had made the trade that would have netted them SAR? With Kobe having a off game and Shaq not being able to maintain the long ranging dominance, how could he change the outcome? What does have to do with Houston?

Many or some think we need role players, myself and a few other think we need thank very productive, very consistent 3rd scorer like SAR or Brand. The lull the Lakers hit tonight is the same one the rockets went through many times this season because of the inconsistent non effecient 3rd scorer that we idn't have. This team would be hell to play against with either SAR or Brand manning the 4 spot. Both are very effecient in the post and out to 15 ft, both are good rebounders and both seem to be ego less. When and if Francis are out of the game or Ming , the team would still be able to maintain offensive balance with one of these 2 still on the floor. Like I said before, the more consistent weapons you have, the better chance you have at winning. Defense can be from team perspective so don't give me this stuff about the defense getting weaker.
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SAR is pretty good. I would have liked him. We would be better than we were maybe...but now we can't get him.

SmeggySmeg · May 16, 2003

Originally posted by SLA
SAR is pretty good. I would have liked him. We would be better than we were maybe...but now we can't get him.
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SAR is not good, it has killed lots of people and although unlikely could still could get to Houston

Moe · May 16, 2003

Originally posted by SmeggySmeg
SAR is not good, it has killed lots of people and although unlikely could still could get to Houston
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Wrong, Smeg. It's only when you have more than one SAR that it is bad. Multiple SARS=bad, 1 SAR=good

ErraticAssassin · May 16, 2003

Also...EA.. I wish that someone ( Clutch?) could post something...anything about what the hell happened to Boki this year, because I have absolutely nothing to go on. [/B]
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Rudy kept saying that Boki was our draft pick for THIS year since we technically don't have one this year.

I never understood the logic. Boki isn't going to learn a damn thing sitting on the bench. The 3 and 2 spots were our two weakest positions. Why let Mobley play 45 minutes per game when Boki was dying to get some playing time? Why not give Glen Rice a breather now and then so he can put some WD-40 on his walker?

ErraticAssassin · May 16, 2003

Originally posted by SmeggySmeg
Men at Work of course i know them

Traveling in a fried-out combie
On a hippie trail, head full of zombie

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Stop making fun of the 80's!

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Scritti Politti

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