[ClutchFans] The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley deserves to start over Jeremy Lin

this thread...where all common sense and logic go out the window smh please close this one down

 

This is the problem. We almost lost to the Wizards because Lin was starting, or because we did not have a good backup PG?

If Beverley was there as Lin's BACKUP, would we have been that bad? So what was the issue? Beverley couldn't play, or Beverley wasn't starting? I'd say most reasonable people would say the former.

Clutch probably regretted writing that article. It guaranteed to generate some ugly trolling. But I guess like a lot of posters here he couldn't resist clobbering those annoying Lin fans with some good arguments. The problem is, when they do that, the temptation is too great for overstating the otherwise reasonable argument. And it almost always bring in more annoying responses from the Lin fans.

The fact is, it doesn't really matter much whether Lin starts or Beverley starts as long as both of them are healthy and playing well. The second half of last season already showed that. There was no need to use a limited number of games to argue one way or the other. Saying that Beverley "clearly" "deserves" to start is stirring up some unnecessary poo slinging.

 

This debate is like the climate change debate. There are so many variables involved, and then you factor the human element that is involved as well.

It's also like arguing who is the best basketball player if all time. You will have people who truly believe in their position. For me, I am not so sure Clutch's statement in the title is worded accurately. I am not so sure the "numbers are clear". Besides, we all know that we can find a statistic that can support our opinion.

I like both players and I think that both sacrifice for the better of the team. And I am intrigued at how well the team plays when they are in the game at the same time.

 

Exactly. You know whats more important than starting and winning the game? It's CLOSING the game. And guess what, Lin has been closing the games in the winning streak and has predominantly produced in the 4th qtr in the current streak. Lin has played the whole 4th qtr in a lot of games recently, in fact (since a lot of posters here tend to have 2 second memories) him and Bev played pretty much the whole qtr the game before. Starting is irrelevant, it's who closes and put on the court during clutch time that has more weight

 

This. I don't know why people are debating why someone's a better STARTER over another person in a game which one of those people didn't even play. There's nothing to even debate there...

 

I guess you skipped over the part where I said the inverse (Pat in this case) is also true. Yes, what you stated is also plausible, and why you shouldn't use W/L in Pat's favor either.

 

I wonder who guarded Ariza last night, would it be Bev if he was on the court? then who would guard Wall?

 

So that's what you mean by inveres. Great. We are on the same page then.

 

You guys just need to accept it. Pbev is starter not because he is better than jeremy in fact he is not even close on jlin's skill level. His starting for the sake of covering harden's lazy defense. The reason why jlin starting has way better win loss ratio is because jlin plays team basketball. They're at there best when everyone's involve. pbev starting and having more minutes than jlin means more on harden iso play. And the more harden use isoball the more chance of winnning decreases. Just accept it guys the momentom changes to wizards favor when ariza hit those 7 3s. If not for that it would have been a blowout win for the rox. Turning the ball over is part of the game cause it happens. Even the best turns the ball over but playing lazy to no defense is not.

 

That is exactly what I have been stating ever since the thread was created. What is the point to downplay the contribution of either? As our record indicates, it does not make any difference who starts. Both deserve to start but only one can. I am fine with either starting.

I just don't understand why some people can't al least acknowledge that the argument can go either way as both of them have different skills and they compliment each other well and why we have to downplay one of them whenever one of them had a bad game. Both are valuable to our success. I wish both can improve steadily so the Rockhets can be be more sucessful. I guess we would start to really appreciate the importance of either PB or Lin only when both got injured (God forbid).

This will be my last post on this thread. I am done with this meaningless back and forth.

 

Agree, but --



(Couldn't resist, sorry. )

 

It's so obvious our offense runs better with Beverley in the starting unit. Did you guys not see the game last night?

I guess getting a season high in turnovers is a good thing to some people, but to me it indicates a very important piece was missing from the starting unit.

Our bench is **** without Lin, his contributions to the team are much better when he comes off the bench.

 

It's the defence which has problems without PBev to guard 2 person.

 

Um this isn't really true. Yes Harden's been lazy on D but honestly Lin isn't much better when guarding SGs, sure he tries but the results are just a bit better than when Harden "isn't trying" on defense. On the other hand, the offense is much better when Harden is out there instead of JLin, sure JLin can get others involved but he doesn't have the offensive dominance Harden brings to the table.

And this is actually the problem, JLin is like the middle man's Harden in that he has all of Harden's strengths but also his weaknesses. Harden's a star that becomes a superstar when he's in the zone, JLin's an average player that becomes a star when he's in the zone. You don't need a Harden and a lesser Harden on the floor at the same time, which is why JLin is coming off the bench so we can have a dude with Harden's playstyle 24/7. It's like if Asik played ball and became the backup, we'd always have a Harden and a Howard on the court at all times.

It has nothing to do with PatBev, JLin's main reason for coming off the bench is James Harden. If Harden didn't exist, PatBev would still be the pg and Lin would become our SG, with Brooks and/or Canaan coming off the bench.

 

I'm a little confused. So Bev starts because of Harden's lazy defense, which is unacceptable, but the Rockets are better off with Lin's offense. So more offense is better than more defense. If that's true, why does Harden's defense matter again?

 

Beverlin is the new Scolandry. Two-headed beast.

 

nah its tjones and dmo! has to be pfs.


Jonesiejūnas

 

Great 1st post troll. Were you bored on the Jeremy Lin forums?

 

Donerence Motiejones?

 

So let me get this right. According to LOF's, Mario Chalmers has been one of the best starting PG's in the league over the past couple of season because at the end of the day Win / Loss ratio is the ultimate stat.

Amirite?