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The benching of Chandler Parsons by the head coach Kevin McHale

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Feb 1, 2014.

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  1. ctry2582

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    31 minutes a game the end all be all? How many of those minutes were when a game was out of hand? Bev hurt? Harden hurt?

    The real point is, Jeremy, one could make the argument should be the starter. Everybody prefers one or another, or, a person might not care, but it's really not that silly for somebody to say Lin should start

    Jeremy has been playing better lately. Fact. That's all that matters, as the Rockets benefit.
     
    #61 ctry2582, Feb 1, 2014
  2. Carl Herrera

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    While fans often look at shooting % when deciding whether a guy is playing well in a game, coaches see things differently: Making or missing in a particular game is often a matter of luck, the more important thing to look at is whether a guy is executing the game plan and making plays that get the team good shots and denying good shots to the opponent.

    For example, Beverley did not score tonight, but he still had a big impact on the game and the coach is not wrong for leaving him in. With Aaron Brooks, even if he is 0 for 5 on open 3 pointers, as long as he is following the game plan, he is still an effective option to space the floor as the opponent has to respect his shot. Or look at Parsons tonight-- he shot 3 for 7, not a particularly poor shooting game, but he wasn't doing too much helping the team win.
     
    #62 Carl Herrera, Feb 1, 2014
  3. ctry2582

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    So what this post really is about, is, McHale should trot out a lineup he thinks gives the Rockets the best chance to win.

    Remember this, the next time you complain about Lin playing heavy minutes.
     
    #63 ctry2582, Feb 1, 2014
  4. theangrycanary

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    this riding the hot hand thing is ridiculous.

    The other night Chandler missed all of his three pointers in the first half.

    In the second half he hit three in a row.

    There is a reason the game is four quarters.

    If players start thinking they will get benched for playing one mediocre half of basketball they will get so timid they will be ineffective. You decide who your starters are, and you go with them. You let them learn from mistakes. You see how they progress. You don't constantly bench people.
     
    #64 theangrycanary, Feb 1, 2014
  5. Carl Herrera

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    The point is that you can "make the argument" in favor of Lin or Beverley (or even AB) getting some more minutes at PG and no reasonable person can really make an argument that Garcia or Brewer should be getting more minute in favor of Parsons.

    The team has given Lin plenty of opportunities to play and compete for more minutes if his performance warrants so.
     
    #65 Carl Herrera, Feb 1, 2014
  6. theangrycanary

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    edit - 10 in a row
     
    #66 theangrycanary, Feb 1, 2014
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    Can't call out your teammates ( a max player) for no defense and stopping the ball, and then have a game like this without the coach holding you accountable.
     
    #67 TXRoxBBall, Feb 1, 2014
  8. Clarinetmonster

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    This. Lin didn't even get 30 minutes tonight so it's not like he actually stole Parsons' minutes.
     
    #68 Clarinetmonster, Feb 1, 2014
  9. ctry2582

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    Yeah man.

    This post was really just a veiled shot at Lin's triple double/LOF

    Hence the last line in the original post.
     
    #69 ctry2582, Feb 1, 2014
  10. iconoclastic

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    That doesn't mean that he can't have an irrational bias against Lin. He could think that Lin is a scrub and trot out a different lineup because he thinks it gives the Rockets the best chance to win.
     
    #70 iconoclastic, Feb 1, 2014
  11. Easy

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    Your argument is circular.

    Why do the coach bench a player? Because he plays bad or his replacement plays well.
    How do you know that? Because the coach bench the player.

    But, but, but...     Yeah, the coach just sees things differently than you dumb fans. So just shut up.
     
    #71 Easy, Feb 1, 2014
  12. Pueblo

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    I thought CH (Carl Herrera) would be Van Gundier, and now you confirmed it.

    Clutch must have banned Van Gundier.


     
    #72 Pueblo, Feb 1, 2014
  13. conquistador#11

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    no bev..no problem, no harden.. no problem, no lin.. no problem, no asik, no problem.

    It could be that we have a very talented roster but just have issues trying to gel as one. It happens. Teams have to grow together.
     
    #73 conquistador#11, Feb 1, 2014
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    Obviously racist
     
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  15. Carl Herrera

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    It's not just what a coach randomly thinks in his head. You can look at what's going on in the game as objective evidence.

    Clutch made a comparison of the starting lineup's statistical performance with each of Lin and Beverley, for example, in his thread. This is the kind of stuff to examine whether there is at least some rational basis behind a coach's view of whether a particular combination works well or not. On a single game level, you can look at things like what was going on in the 3rd quarter when Parsons got replaced-- Cavs scoring easily and the Rockets lost their lead-- and what happen after it-- the Rockets went on a run with the 3 guard lineup-- and see whether there is some evidence supporting McHale's perception. Sometimes, the evidence isn't as stark as it is tonight, but it is possible to look at the game footage and statistical measures and make a more or less objective determination as to whoa strongly a coach's decision is supported by evidence.

    Conversely, you can look at data to see instances where coaches are making irrational choices. For example, the data shows that it was mostly irrational for McHale to give any minutes to Thomas Robinson after the trade. It likely was irrational for Adelman to give Jordan Hill and post-injury AB so many minutes in 2010-11. And it was also likely irrational for Van Gundy to give so many minutes to Juwan Howard when Juwan was here.
     
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  16. DrNuegebauer

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    Lin fans know the truth.

    Michael benched parsons because chandler spoke out against harden. Harden cried to Morey who threatened to fire Mchale unless he benched parsons.
    Mchale hated it, only because he had to play Lin instead. I lip read him putting Jeremy in the game and he said "I hate you Lin, now go play".
     
    #76 DrNuegebauer, Feb 1, 2014
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    First Michael in above post should be Mchale...
     
    #77 DrNuegebauer, Feb 1, 2014
  18. Hardensway

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    Thread should have been title mchale's treatment of parson's
     
    #78 Hardensway, Feb 1, 2014
  19. RockingRox

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    Wow. I feel for you bro. Bench Lin!
     
    #79 RockingRox, Feb 1, 2014
  20. Clarinetmonster

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    well played sir.
     
    #80 Clarinetmonster, Feb 1, 2014
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