Console Wars Thread! PS4 vs. Xbox One vs. Wii U Fight!

PS3's advantage on multiplayer was it was free over paid like xbox. Of course thats now gone with the PS4. Also if you play with friends and all your firends were on one system that's the one you probably wanted to play on.

Also what you said about FPS's was true at one point when Halo and Gears of War were the *****. But now the most popular FPS games are Call of Duty and Battlefield which are on both systems. Titan Fall may be pretty awesome too.. We shall see.

Also Uncharted/Last of Us multiplayer was actually decent and quite fun.. you should check it out next time.

 

How are we going to measure this? Does Infamous count? What about DriveClub? Killzone? Knack? The Order? The Sorcerer (well, whatever QD does)? MLB The Show? Rime? Which of those fit (or will fit) into the "this game clearly demonstrates the PS4 is more powerful" category? Why does game X fit into that category? Why doesn't game Y fit?

You're essentially ignoring all the "answerable" questions we can discuss regarding the power differential between the 2 consoles, and trying to replace it with a question that will never truly be settled. How convenient.

 

Many of those games arent out yet...of course they count, not sure what in the world you're talking about.

As of this moment...The PS4 has come out with games like Flower, Knack, and Resogun...I dont think you can put any of those games up against games like Forza or Ryse. Killzone is a solid exclusive, but I dont think it's quite as next gen as a game like Forza.

Again, Im talking about release up to now...while you're naming games that are coming out later in the year. That makes zero sense. Why dont you throw in Uncharted 8 while you're at it?

 

Im not into the 3rd person shooter thing...probably because I suck at it. That's why Ive never owned a Gears of War game and probably wont ever go there unless it's something I cant pass up. I tried playing Uncharted online, but I just never got into the flow of it...Im just usually more comfortable from a 1st person shooter perspective.

 

Native PlayStation 2 Support May Be on the Way for PlayStation 4

PS1/PS2 games heading to PlayStation 4
Source: titles running under emulation, HD visual enhancements in development.

Anyone's thoughts on this? Is this the game changer (or has the game already been lost)?

 

I could. But then I'd get:

Which was my point.

(IMO, KZ is definitely more next-gen than Forza. Uh-oh....who will win this debate?)

I threw in all those games, but it doesn't really matter when they release. When they come out, we'll just get discussions about how they look good, but not substantially better (or something along those lines).

Which is why I wanted you to clearly define what would set these games apart.

 

Just read an article saying Xbox will release a system patch that will allow developers to cut into some of the processing power they held back for the Kinnect to help with lower frame rates that some games are running into. Thought that was interesting.

One thing that I've found disappointing is the price of digital downloads vs going to the shop and buying a hard copy of the game.

In Australia digital downloads through the Xbox store are $89 for a new game. I can go to my local shop and buy the same games for $78. That isn't even taking into account that in 6 months time ill be able to buy games second hand for way cheaper than what I'm sure they will be on the Xbox store.

I would be willing to go all in with digital downloads but there is no incentive at all for it with the prices being charged.

I bought Lego Marvel via digital download for $89 just for convenience and to try it out. It worked great. But I won't be buying any more games from the Xbox shop until they make it worthwhile.

 

The same KZ that cant run a 60 fps throughout the game and dips to 30 fps for single player...or stays at 60 fps "most of the time" in multiplayer?

Okay.

 

I think it is awesome, but not something that will be that big of a deal for the CONSOLE WARZ or anything.

Yeah, I think I posted this a page or two back. It is a bit interesting. I'm not sure it will help a lot with FPS (might only get a frame or two back), but it will help some. More interested in what this might mean for Kinect.

(And yeah, digital downloads are too expensive)

 

Haha, wow you really are proving my point.

(Yes)

 

You've proven nothing, unfortunately.

 

Why is Killzone for PS4 visually worse than Ridge Racer 7 for PS3?

 

For me anyway, that would be awesome if true.

Especially if they mean I could actually use my old discs, though not sure that's the case or if they just mean re-sell digital downloads. Even so, playing the classics would be a better experience if they're upscaled and you can use digital memory cards instead of physical ones which tend to fail often in my experience.

If PS4 had PS1/PS2 emulation of actual PS1/PS2 discs, I'd have bought one at launch.

 

Backwards compatibility metrics showed for both consoles, that most players don't care about old games. Thus the reason neither offer it at the moment. I know hundreds of people with PS3s and Xbox 360s, and none that I know of played old games on their devices after the first few months of launch.

I'd rather both makers focus on making the best console they can for next-gen gaming. There are countless ways for nostalgia-whores to get their fix this day and age.

 

That would be the key... that you know of. I definitely do not know "hundreds" of people who own game systems personally, but at least two or three of my close friends care about backwards compatibility and still play PS2 games today (and I do as well).

I promise you, if you actively asked those hundreds of people, you would definitely get some of them who do care about backwards compatibility.

 

KZ has performance issues. Play multiplayer and you'll see dips in frame rate. It's not something that Im making up, look into it and see. Even the developers say that multiplayer stays at 60 fps "most of the time"...there is nothing worse than having frame rate issues. If you want to be at 60 fps, make sure you are staying there. It is better to be at 30 fps with zero hiccups.

Why dont you stay on topic and discuss games on this gen...and how KZ is "definitely" more next gen than Forza or Ryse.

 

Forza has cardboard crowds, IQ issues, lots of baked lighting, etc. Ryse has frame-rate problems (below 30), isn't 1080p, etc. I actually don't care to argue whether one game is more "next-gen." Why? Because it is a subjective discussion that will just end in "Nuh-uh!" "Uh-huh!" I can argue that KZ looks better, you'll argue that Forza looks better. I'll say Uncharted 4 looks better, you'll say Halo 5 looks better. Etc. It is a pointless debate since there's no way to settle it (especially since you've yet to provide any objective measurements to the questions I asked earlier).

Ridge Racer 7 is 1080p and 60 FPS (I think a solid 60 FPS, though I honestly can't remember). Based on some of your logic, RR7 > Killzone (since KZ has performance problems). PS3 >= PS4?

You can twist anything to say one game is better than the other. So don't bother.

Stick to objective measurements.

That's my point.

 

I think MS made the right decision to bundle the Kinnect...I love using it. But in games themselves, they need to find a way to make better use of it.

Recording a clip during a game is fantastic and feels next gen. I use the voice controls a lot. But they need to make it a big part of the game play experience I believe.

I remember SOCOM Navy Seals used voice recognition back on the PS2. I really enjoyed that. It changed the way you played what was essentially a shooter. It slowed the game down, made it very tactical and even back then the PS2 picked up what you were saying really well.

I think MS needs to bring in a game like that where voice recognition is a huge component of the game. Throw in the camera picking up the action of say throwing a grenade or a reloading your weapon movement...it would be great.

 

I just wonder how many games there are going to be where the Kinect really makes the difference.

I feel like gimmicky things have rarely worked in videogames. The powerglove didn't take off, for example. Virtual Boy either. Nintendo striking gold with the Wii is about the only instance I can think of right off the bat where a gimmick took off... and even then it had a finite shelf-life before the majority of people got bored of it.

Kinect and PS Move and Sixaxis and the WiiU's tablet controller and Vita/PS4's touchpad are all fine, but I'm just not getting the feeling any of them are going to find a ton of application in games. There are going to be those exceptions where occasionally someone will make great use of those gimmicks (hello, Flower), but I just don't see it becoming the norm.

 

Youre right. I'd also add to that....when Im playing a game, Im relaxing. I dont want to have to jump around and move a whole lot to make a game work.

There wont be too many games that REALLY use all the potential of the Kinnect, but I'd still like to see one or two games really show off what the system is capable of. I think for the most part it will just add a little bit extra to most games, like being able to sub players in sports games with verbal commands and stuff like that.

It does have potential though. Think of if you had a game like God Of War (Sony fans just sharpened their knives!), if you were in a boss fight with Medusa you would have to look away from the screen at times or you'd turn to stone. Throwing the ball in from the sideline in FIFA or shooting a freethrow movement in NBA2K....there are things that it could be used for that are really cool and not too much work when you want to just sit back and chill out playing a game.