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Official Fire McHale Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by FTW Rockets FTW, Apr 19, 2012.

  1. dmoneybangbang

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    We are a better overall defensive team than least despite having Bev sidelined for about month and Asik sidelined. People forget that all we did was let Delfino go and acquired Howard this offseason. The defensive upgrade was at C and it hasn't worked out so well due to injuries and personal matters. Lastly, we will never be a top 5 defensive team with the pace we play.

    People don't adjust their expectations when circumstances change.
     
  2. Ron_E

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    i agree mchale has been outcoached on the loses sometimes simply no control at the end of the game.
     
  3. P Bev Tha Goon

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    No I meant fire the whole staff and Coach like what the Texans have done, in no way did I say keep anybody of our stupid coaches
     
  4. dobro1229

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    My expectations are right where they were to start the season. I thought they would flirt with 50 wins and finish somewhere around the 6th seed, and that was with either a healthy Asik or with (what seemed inevitable this Summer) an Asik for Millsap/Anderson type of trade during the season which it looks like they are getting neither unfortunately.

    So overall they are actually somewhat exceeding my expectations.

    I know that the Rockets when they play with a set defense have a top of the half defense, and their pace will expectantly make the defense look worse than it actually is. Also, as I mentioned before you have to ask yourself where the bad coaching stops and the player execution begins.

    The Steve Blake game winner, the Rudy Gay buzzer beater, the Isaiah Thomas one man show... were the players confused & not paying attention to the rotation or is it the coaches fault for not explaining the play & rotations well enough in the huddle??... we might never know. Is the fact that our perimeter defense allows blow-bys a problem with Lin & Harden or are they not being held accountable???... we dont know because we aren't in the huddle, and hearing the coaches chew or not chew out the players.

    My point is, I expected more defensive intensity when I found out McHale and Sampson were being hired two years ago, and my expectations have now shifted due to circumstance & evidence of what is carried out on the court over the past 1 and a half seasons. This is not a great defensive team by any stretch, and thats a fact any way you look at it. Whoever's fault that is can be up to the judgement of the posters on here.

    I'm not advocating for McHale's firing by saying that I expected better defense FYI. Its just a statement about one what I have hoped for to be better from the beginning.
     
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  5. FANfrom86toNow

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    I think the only way that McHale gets fired during this season is that the team goes on such a losing streak, that it looks like they could possibly even miss the playoffs. It's not likely, but it's definitely possible with Memphis coming on and Minny likely to eventually start winning more games.

    Although as a Rockets long time fan, it would hurt me to see that, in the long run a possible losing streak would be better for the team if McHale is replaced because of it. If we lost like 10 in a row, I would think that Les and Morey would have to fire McHale, but we could still probably make it to the playoffs under a different coach as the 7th or 8th seed by the end of the year. We would be a very dangerous low seed under a different coach like Hollins, JVG or Karl!

    The opposite of that is that all of our players get healthy, Asik decides to buy in and play hard, and the Rockets go on a winning streak despite McHale's coaching weakness...and do well in the playoffs by getting to the second round or even WCF. Then we would be stuck with McHale for even longer, even though the wins would probably be due to our talent despite his lack of true coaching ability.

    No matter which scenario happens, it's a win on one hand and lose on the other.
     
  6. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    It's not happening guys and if it does it won't be till after the playoffs. Stop wasting your anger.
     
  7. ROXTXIA

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    And some are incredibly forgiving of Vinnie Del Negro-ish coaching.

    Admire your loyalty. At least you're not jtr. That dude is rabid pro-McHale. On an LOF level.

    "McHOF", I guess.
     
  8. Haymitch

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    While McHale is not deserving of 95% of the criticism he gets here, I also am not in love with him as our coach.

    When he was hired I really thought he was just brought in to provide soundbites during our rebuilding years, and even for that role I wasn't excited to have him around. I've grown to like him more as a coach over the past 12 months or so but I'm not sold on him being the coach to lead this team to a title.

    This second loss to the Grizzlies I put partially on him. I could understand losing to them twice in a row as they are a really good team, but getting manhandled in the 2nd game was just too much.

    I don't think he should be fired and I know he won't get fired after this year, but if we disappoint this year and next, I could see it.
     
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  9. mario_v

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    Mchale won't get fired this season, they just simply won't resign him after the season is over, cause that's how morey rolls.

    Mchale was ok back when we had Lowry, Scola, and Martin, but this team is ready to contend now for a championship. We need an elite coach to get the most out of this team.

    I would personally like to bring back adelman...
     
  10. HMMMHMM

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    Is it OK to think that McHale is neither terrible, nor awesome and that the Rockets wouldn't be significantly better or worse with most other coaches?

    Because that's what I think. McHale is somewhere in the middle tier.

    This team might perform a bit better with a top-flight coach, but it also could be worse (Mo Cheeks, Mike Brown, Larry Drew, Mike Woodson, D'Antoni, Ty Corbin, Randy Wittman, Monty Williams... and that's just off the top of my head).

    Still lots of games left. I doubt anything is set in stone. McHale is being evaluated just like the players are being evaluated. I don't see any way that McHale gets fired throughout the season, but if the team comes up short in the playoffs the Rockets just might part ways with McHale after the season.

    Of course I wouldn't rule out the Rockets picking up McHale's team option next year either, but we've seen that the Rockets will part ways with a coach, if they feel the fit isn't right anymore or that they'd simply be better off with somebody else -- no matter if the current coach is beloved by the players and well respected around the league or not.

    We know Morey thinks highly of SVG and that SVG is still tight with Dwight. We'll see. :)
     
  11. P Bev Tha Goon

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    Dude, this is going too far. I am probably one of the biggest proponent of McHale getting fired, but I would never want the Rox to lose on purpose. We are way too talented to be doing something like this.

    As history has shown us, "yes men" are really hard to get rid off. I would not be surprised if he finished out this year, and even his contract.
     
  13. Spacemoth

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    I just don't like George Karl going back to his illegal D days in Seattle. The man is willing to play dirty, bend the rules, and look like Hoggish Greedly while doing it.

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    ^George Karl recently said: "I think you know that I'm not a big-guy coach, so I'd say no.", when asked if he would want Andrew Bynum on his team.

    Obviously Dwight is a different player than Bynum, but not sure Karl would be a great fit for this team.
     
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  15. SuperBeeKay

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    naw, stan van gundy. the guy ran a really good system with howard in orlando.
     
  16. dmoneybangbang

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    It's not loyalty. It's called open mindedness. I don't base my opinion and evaluation on a game to game level like 94% of this forum.
     
  17. ROXTXIA

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    I don't think 94% of the people on this forum do that.

    SOME do. When we win, we get fewer fans chasing McHale with pitchfork and torches.

    But even when we win, I just don't see any indication that it has much to do with the coach.

    In game adjustments? Nil.

    Riding a hot hand even after it's long since cooled off? Oh, yes, please.

    Playing Parsons and Harden 40 mpg, even when they just come back from injury? Yep.

    Only playing certain players when you have no choice and finding out they don't actually suck? Yep.

    CLAP CLAP CLAP.

    "Come on guys!"

    "You've got to play harder, guys!"

    "Well, the ball got sticky. We just didn't make shots."

    Reporter: "Coach McHale, what about defense?"

    McHale: "I'm sorry. What's that?"

    Reporter: "DEFENSE, Coach, what about defense?"

    McHale: "No, I heard you. I literally mean, 'What's that'?"

    Reporter: "Defense. You know, stopping the other team from scoring?"

    McHale: (incredulous) "I never heard of such a thing. We outscore the other team, we win. Right? Pretty simple concept."

    Reporter: (aghast) "Never mind."

    McHale: "Who let you in here? Do you have press credentials? DARYL!"

    Morey: "Thank you, everyone, no more questions for today, thank you..."

    McHale: "Boy, they were asking tough questions today."
     
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  18. dmoneybangbang

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    Of course....... only when they lose. How convenient.......

    That's a stupid basketball rumor that somehow has gained traction on here by people with very little knowledge of basketball.

    There are zero teams that don't make in game adjustments.

    Not McHale's fault Garcia has not lived up to his 3 pt prowess or Casspi is inconsistent. We had to fill out our bench with minimum contract "vets" due to cap space.

    Have you considered we aren't as deep as the homers would like you to believe?

    Have you considered if we didn't play Harden and Parsons we would have a worse record?

    Again.... cap space and filling out our roster with cheap contracts...... McHale can't trade players with another team.... That's the GM job.

    Ok...... That just makes you look less intelligent making up conversations.
     
  19. imaginedragons

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    most in this forum question Mchale's ability to lead the Rockets to a title. he may be an adequate coach for middling teams but not for a supposed contender, and by no means is this based on a game to game level but from years worth of observing him, some even from way back when he was the Twolves' coach.

    if you are truly open minded you would see this just like many in and out of this forum, some even real experts and NBA people.
     
  20. HoopFan

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    Exactly. The west is super-competitive this season. With a losing streak or two, we may find ourselves out of playoff contention. This is why every win counts. And we cann't play with fire anymore.

     

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