Thanks for making my argument. Your rough calculations would give us a better record than the Clippers, you even left out Asik. Media also thought we weren't contenders this year and would be a 4/5 spot in the West..... Funny how we are right on track with most people's expectations outside of folks clouded by homerism..... So the Harden/Howard duo have figured everything out with a little over half a season playing together.... Maybe you just expect too much? LOLz..... yea elite defenses do have the habit of shutting down offenses..... And throughout the season..... Dear diary..... .....mood...... depressed "Abyss of mediocrity with no end in sight"...... Come on, take your depression meds, it's a beautiful day outside.
Grizzlies are just a bad match up for us. This is basketball, a lot of folks don't understand basketball and match ups. We are 1-2 against the Grizzlies this year.
The genereal stat of point differential. If it is higher it usually means you are blowing those teams out (because good teams are not usually getting blown out) if it is lower than it usually means you are playing close games more often. And we are also 3 games out of the playoffs too! Do you realize that a 4 game skid for ANY reasons could mean we are sitting at 8-9th place in the west suddenly? So wait...do you believe that Portland is better than the Miami Heat? A team that most people thought would be picking in the top 5 this year. They did not suddenly become talented. They lost Bledsoe and are still winning games and it seems already have better chemistry than the Rockets... I never said that. I'm the one thinking about the big picture I guess. Whether he goes now or later doesn't really matter. What matters is that he goes. He's not a coach that is going to win you a championship unless he himself improves. So if some of us believe that he can't win a championship then of course we want to replace him. So what? Another thing is Morey needs to get a coach that will coach. If Morey is trying to enforce coaches to do what he thinks is best than he's extending his hand too far and needs to be humbled by a strong coach that will tell him to STFU and let him coach the team. Also...what does it matter? You don't know realistic coaching options either, the point is Mchale should be fired and if that happens at the end of the season like most expect here then the names will pop up. The point is that Mchale can be replaced by a better coach. So they overachieved last year according to you but also don't fit as starters? Well yeah he's inconsistent, they have him shooting threes. If you made Rondo into a jump shooter he'd also seem inconsistent as well. Makes sense to a lot of people here. The stats say nothing about how the rockets play when they can't play at their pace and are forced to play more traditional ball. If they are such a great offensive team (they are not) then why can't they impose their style on great defensive teams like the Pacers, Grizzlies, Thunder? LEGIT elite offensive teams play great offenses against any one. They are a good offensive team, but it is again nothing like D'antoni suns. Although I agree about the defense...and Mchale doesn't have them playing good defense either... And players aren't accountable based off the whims of a message board either. Maybe because he says it all the damn time? "Coach, what can you do better?" Pre-game "Play harder, we just need to play harder and hit more shots." Half-time "Play harder, we just need to play harder and hit more shots." Post-game "Play harder, we just need to play harder and hit more shots." Is his mantra, along with "We need to run more!" you act like this is hard? Opposing coaches get in the mind of other coaches ALL THE TIME, it's part of what you have to do is notice tendencies. I've noticed tendecies of this team, when the team gets desperate for example. McHale goes small. ALL THE DAMN TIME. That is his answer to "We need to do something different." it is always to just go small and make more threes. This is not me reading his mind, this is me watching every single Rocket game for the past 6-7 years (Including McHale's tenure as a coach) and noticing trends. Meanwhile you have a guy like Carlisle who will run a play to get Dirk matched up on Lin...OVER AND OVER and Mchale does nothing about it.. Okay so it's time to adjust the system to something more permanent right? It is McHale's job to do this with or without roster turnover. Did they though? The players they were built around are doing the exact same things for other teams. Making it seem like they are over achieving...Maybe Lowry and Dragic are actually just that good? Either way it doesn't matter, we are talking about this year. When you add the best Center in the NBA to this team than expectations rise. Dwight didn't come here to be 5th seed in the West. Well they do, but that doesn't mean that their complaints are invalid. If they were whining about Parsons handling the ball at the end AND Harden then yes...but a lot of those people were saying before the possession that Harden should have had the ball there. It's simple, the fanbase and team has a expectation to be better than what they are. When they are BETTER than what they are he will get credit for it. Lol sure other people can share the blame but this thread is about Mchale... Whether Harden could play better or not is ultimately irrelevant to the question "Should the Rockets Fire McHale..." Dwight Howard? Do you really think he came here to be a middling team in the West? That's what they are, a middling team in the west. I tell you what, revisit this. IF the Rockets continue playing at this pace and IF McHale is fired at the end of the season than that means the FO ALSO thought they should have been better. If they keep McHale for any reason then you'd be right. If they continue to be a middling western team and keep Mchale then that is what they expect...if McHale gets them turned around and they make a playoff run then you would have been right that it wasn't all on him either. Is Asik even part of this team any more? The Thunder have been riddled with injuries too, missing a star player. That usually affects a team a lot more than missing a role player. Rockets were riddled with injuries during the 22 win streak, but great coaching gets the most out of everyone and gets the team looking like a machine. If McHale is a great coach then he will do that...it's really that simple.
When's the last time a grind it out slow paced team won a ring?? Honest question, cuz I can't remember one at all recently.
2 losses to each of these teams Kings Thunder Mavs Grizzlies Clippers McHale is obviously terrible at adjusting his strategy the 2nd time around. He probably doesn't even watch game film. His stubborn approach doesn't fare well for the playoffs where you see the same team 4+ times and are constantly having to change up schemes.
McHale, after our upcoming first round exit: "They just wanted it more. Our guys weren't hitting shots, end of story. To win in this game you need to hit your shots. We weren't aggressive inside. The ball was too sticky, we didn't play hard enough or match their intensity."
My mistake I thought you were referring to a variation of it. We are slightly below GS, another team that has had a major player injured. And a 4 game win streak solidifies our spot further..... Of course not. Miami and Spurs both rest their sgs and quite frankly Miami is conceding the number 1 spot purposely to stay fresh for a ECF rematch. Bledsoe was injured somewhat recently. But come on.... no one thinks the Suns are in the same playoff tier as the Roxs or GS. Then your course of action is to have a fire McHale mantra until the end of the season? And if we reach the WCF and lose? Seems you already have your mind made up. It's not all the improbable that he does get better, albeit marginally better most likely. I guess I'm just waiting until the end of the season before I claim anything. Still a trade deadline ahead and over 30 more games to be played. I'm really like our "assets" this trade deadline. If you haven't noticed, pieces of Morey's "philosophy" are being replicated throughout the league. Most of what you said there is pure speculation. That's not certainty. Especially considering we are trying to reach contender status, as you said earlier, we will need a championship caliber coach. The team overacheived and the context of the discussion was Lin and Harden. Yes, Lin and Harden aren't are good fit alongside each other. Lin should be a semi 6th man of the year type of player but has been wildly inconsistent. Rondo and Lin are totally different. Rondo is an old school distributor and Lin is the new breed of quick and penetrating guards. Lastly, Lin knew what he needed to work on to succeed on this team, his shooting in this context. Shooting is just an effort/practice thing as we aren't asking him to be Reggie Miller. The NBA is about matchups you say......... To me averaging 105 pts per game for 5th in NBA is great and being 3rd in eFG% is great. The D'antoni Suns are historical an elite offensive team. And no, elite offensives don't play great offensive against every team. That's the a strawman you built in order to continue to move the goal posts on what constitutes a great offense. Young teams are statistically worse on defense. Great analysis be a poster on this forum. Again, our biggest injuries this season were to top defensive players, one is still sidelined..... So essentially you are basing all this off of the fraction of time McHale spends with media? Again, you ain't in the locker room or huddle. Stop acting like you have this window into the mind of our coach. So Adelman went small too huh? Or we just talking about McHale. Seems like it's a know your personnel issue. Not having a solid, consistent PF depth led us to play more small ball and 3 pointers (PPat, Morris, Delfino, Robinson, etc.). Wasn't until this season TJones has played with ore consistency and it's becoming more times than not he's playing a big part in the game. We got beat. It happens. We beat Carlisle once, they got us twice. We beat Pop twice this season so I win! For this and the next season that will be determined by Howard's willingness to play more PNR. And sure we should add more wrinkles to the system but not too many. We are 3rd in points in the paint with an over 3rd in eFG%. We are having a down 3 pt shooting season so far, which can be effortlessly solved by players returning to their career 3pt% norms, like Harden. And most folks think the Rockets have over achieved under McHale the past 2 seasons, same with Adelman. It's a testament to Morey's ability to field competitive teams without the star power. I'm waiting to pass judgement on McHale after the season. They are that good, but not elite PGs. Morey liked both Dragic and Lowry and got them for cheap. I'm sure in hindsight, if Morey knew he was going to get Harden, he would have kept Dragic. t. Well certainly. Still a trade deadline and over 30 games to be played. Are you already waving the white flag and mentally conceding to the 5th seed? Doesn't mean they aren't realistic and not subject to change based on constant evolving circumstances of a full NBA season. FYI, I certainly expect the team to believe they are much better than a 5th seed. To the bolded, I suppose I take a more nuanced method of evaluation as I factor in injuries, schedule, and trades. Save my final judgement when the season is over. It's certainly relevant. We will. Great. But lets wait until the end of the season with a little bias as possible. We both want the same thing, a Roxs team able to make the WCF and Finals. Hell yes. Whether or not as trade fodder or great rim protection. Thunder have KD, have you checked out his stat line lately? He's becoming LBJ 2.0. ...and we didn't do anything in the playoffs, which ultimately matters.
This is not a coach who can take you to championship. Code: <h2><span class="mw-headline" id="Coaching_record">Coaching record</span><span class="mw-editsection"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span><a href="/w/index.php?title=Kevin_McHale_(basketball)&action=edit&section=16" title="Edit section: Coaching record">edit</a><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></span></h2> <table class="toccolours" style="font-size: 90%; white-space: nowrap;"> <tr> <th colspan="10" style="background-color: #F2F2F2; border: 1px solid #AAAAAA;">Legend</th> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">Regular season</td> <td style="background-color: #F2F2F2; border: 1px solid black; width:50px; text-align:center;">G</td> <td>Games coached</td> <td style="background-color: #F2F2F2; border: 1px solid black; width:50px; text-align:center;">W</td> <td>Games won</td> <td style="background-color: #F2F2F2; border: 1px solid black; width:50px; text-align:center;">L</td> <td>Games lost</td> <td style="background-color: #F2F2F2; border: 1px solid black; width:50px; text-align:center;">W–L %</td> <td>Win-loss %</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center">Post season</td> <td style="background-color: #F2F2F2; border: 1px solid black; width:50px; text-align:center;">PG</td> <td style="padding-right: 8px">Playoff games</td> <td style="background-color: #F2F2F2; border: 1px solid black; width:50px; text-align:center;">PW</td> <td style="padding-right: 8px">Playoff wins</td> <td style="background-color: #F2F2F2; border: 1px solid black; width:50px; text-align:center;">PL</td> <td>Playoff losses</td> <td style="background-color: #F2F2F2; border: 1px solid black; width:50px; text-align:center;">PW–L %</td> <td>Playoff win-loss %</td> </tr> </table> <table class="wikitable sortable collapsible" style="font-size:95%; text-align:right;"> <tr> <th>Team</th> <th>Year</th> <th>G</th> <th>W</th> <th>L</th> <th>W–L%</th> <th>Finish</th> <th>PG</th> <th>PW</th> <th>PL</th> <th>PW–L%</th> <th>Result</th> </tr> <tr> <td align="left"><a href="/wiki/Minnesota_Timberwolves" title="Minnesota Timberwolves">MIN</a></td> <td align="left"><a href="/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_NBA_season" title="2004–05 NBA season">2004–05</a></td> <td>31</td> <td>19</td> <td>12</td> <td>.613</td> <td align="center">3rd in Northwest</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td align="center">Missed Playoffs</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left"><a href="/wiki/Minnesota_Timberwolves" title="Minnesota Timberwolves">MIN</a></td> <td align="left"><a href="/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_NBA_season" title="2008–09 NBA season">2008–09</a></td> <td>63</td> <td>20</td> <td>43</td> <td>.317</td> <td align="center">4th in Northwest</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td align="center">Missed Playoffs</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left"><a href="/wiki/Houston_Rockets" title="Houston Rockets">HOU</a></td> <td align="left"><a href="/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_NBA_season" title="2011–12 NBA season">2011–12</a></td> <td>66</td> <td>34</td> <td>32</td> <td>.515</td> <td align="center">4th in Southwest</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td align="center">Missed Playoffs</td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left"><a href="/wiki/Houston_Rockets" title="Houston Rockets">HOU</a></td> <td align="left"><a href="/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_NBA_season" title="2012–13 NBA season">2012–13</a></td> <td>82</td> <td>45</td> <td>37</td> <td>.549</td> <td align="center">3rd in Southwest</td> <td>6</td> <td>2</td> <td>4</td> <td>.333</td> <td align="center">Lost in <a href="/wiki/2013_NBA_Playoffs" title="2013 NBA Playoffs">First Round</a></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="left"><a href="/wiki/Houston_Rockets" title="Houston Rockets">HOU</a></td> <td align="left"><a href="/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_NBA_season" title="2013–14 NBA season">2013–14</a></td> <td>31</td> <td>20</td> <td>11</td> <td>.645</td> <td align="center">2nd in Southwest</td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td align="center"></td> </tr> <tr class="sortbottom"> <td align="left"><b>Career</b></td> <td></td> <td>273</td> <td>138</td> <td>135</td> <td>.505</td> <td></td> <td>6</td> <td>2</td> <td>4</td> <td>.333</td> </tr> </table>
Buncha teams right before miami. Dirk and old man kidd did it. They averaged under 100 points a game, tied for 25th in the league in shots attempts per game. Right before them the Celtics with KG/Pierce/Allen team was certainly a half court team predicated on defensive intensity. THe year before that was the Spurs, they definitely played slow, 27th in shots taken that year.
I guess Pistons also. So really Miami is more of the exception in terms of scoring pace i guess? That lends credence to the thought that you can't just outrun and outscore teams in the playoffs. And we could very well be back to the low scoring defensive team trend with Indiana if the win it. Interesting, thanks.
Actually I am not sure how much the team's style of play has to do with McHale. Note that for those games when he wasn't here (i.e. due to his mother passing away), there wasn't really that big a difference in the way the team played. But when Sampson was away the whole team changed. Food for thought I guess. How much of our team's playstyle is really due to McHale?
No, he's at best an average coach. I would argue that this Rockets team has so much talent, that any coach would have this record.
Played in the NBA as a point guard – 10 Played in the NBA as a shooting guard – 7 Played in the NBA as a small forward – 2 Played in the NBA as a power forward – 1 Played in the NBA as a center – 0 Breakdown of NBA coaches...there's a reason there's only 1 ex-nbaPF head coach in the league
McHale is just a mask. Essentially he was brought in to coach in our down years. The game plan seems to come from higher up, as his role is just to motivate. I think when we have a better team surrounding Harden and Howard, a better coach will be brought in and Morey will fall back some. Part of McHale still being our current coach is he was used to somewhat bring Dwight in. We're stuck with him like Lin. If only we could fire Lin at the end of the season as well, we'd be in a much better place. The two completely lack substance. Just names at this point.
I would be ok with Chris Finch being promoted to HC. BTW has there ever been a longer thread in the GARM than this one? I can't remember how the Dwight Howard thread was, but I somehow feel it was in the hundreds just because it only lasted 1 yr.
I'd like the GARM to think of one coach that wouldn't get a FIRE X Coach thread as a Rockets coach next season after a poor loss assuming they go in "another direction" this Summer? JVG- We he no play offense. Coach cant get his team to score 90 points... fire em SVG- Master of Panic, wired personality is destroying locker room, and hurting X players confidence.... fire em Finch- Too soft spoken to lead a team. Moreyball doesnt work. No midrange jumpers... fire em Phil Jackson- Maybe the triangle isn't the system for the Rockets...Doesn't believe in time outs, too laid back....fire em. Lionel Hollins- Wants to trade for Rudy Gay.... oh crap... yeah Fire em
