[ClutchFans] The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley deserves to start over Jeremy Lin

That was one piece of evidence he referred to in the article. He also took into account the views of McHale and Morey, the other players who are in the starting lineup, and how Lin's production changed when he was starting versus coming off the bench.

The last line of the article might have summed it up as "just math", giving the impression he's just going off of some +/- figures. But really its a view he arrived at looking at a bigger picture of what the team needs are and where each player looks to fit in the best.

 

It's not just about Harden. It's far more likely that Lin would start if we still had Asik instead of Howard. As for other coaches, it would depend on the team. Beverley would start over Lin for Miami or Indiana, for instance.

 

It is called long standing frustrating with a specific group of fanbase that enters each and every thread, regardless of player, and makes it into a personal affront to their false idol. I do not bother sugar coating or mincing words when it comes to communicating with those people. If you don't like it, block me, but I will not change how I post because some people feel like their feelings are hurt or they are bothered.

As far as how old am I, lets put it this way, I am old enough to have been a fan long before we won even our first championships. That is the sort of dedicated Rockets fan I am. I consider the Rockets like a family member in my life at this point and when Lin fans insult them, I at times take it personal.

 

It was a poor decision to include that line... it was effective writing, but not a good argument. The rest of the article was pretty good.

 

"The numbers are clear" in the title, we should trust the numbers, the golden 2-line table.

This thread has firmly established this rule to evaluate players. Clutch has said it, lots of fans are supporting the Clutch evidence. Any fans who do not believe in the evidence are called non Rox fans.

"The numbers are clear" is clear.

It is an excellent approach to evaluate players. Fans here need to trust the numbers.

 

Even if you want to read it so literally instead of considering the substance of the argument, the numbers in that table weren't the only ones in the article.

There's a phrase used by R.C Buford in regards to the Spur's player evaluation philosophy that's apt here -- "eyes, ears, and numbers". When they all align, that's what makes a solid evaluation. So, really it isn't just numbers, but numbers make a big difference in solidifying a point of view. So Clutch provided numbers, and he also provided what we're hearing from the coach and GM (plus we can all listen to the comments from various other players on the team from the last few post-games). As for eye-test, that's subjective, but Clutch evidently thinks Beverley fits in better from what he's watching.

 

If this article is only about who is the better fit with the starters or Harden, the article title should be "Patrick Bervely is better fit with the starters than Jeremy Lin". The article title itself is biased.

 

I would LOVE to hear an intellectual statement on why the title is biased. This should be good.

 

Well it is also clear that the writer needs readers, so the title raises a little bit bias statement as long as it serves it purpose. And I believe he knows that the term 'better fit' is different than 'better pg' for instance.

 

Eh, you might change "deserves to" to "should" if you want to avoid the idea that Lin is "undeserving" of being a starter, but I think you're reaching to call it bias and are showing a little bit of thin skin.

 

chenjy9 needs to stop personally attacking people. it's just not nice.

 

Yea. In my oppinion, both deserve to start as we have about the same winning % with either starting. We should end the discussion there.

After thinking about it, if the coach use the right rotation, I do see Rockets can benefit long term with Lin comming of bench. Lin and PB are interchangable as they have different skill sets and they compliment each other. I do like the idea of Lin playing at the end of a game though especially when offense is needed. Lin has been proven to be a more clutch player at late game situation.

 

Well, if McHale continues to use Lin to hide Beverley on defense (much as he did against Sac when he put Lin mostly on Isaiah Thomas), then we'll see how well Beverley holds up. I guess if I were Lin and I had a coaching staff that didn't believe in me as a core player and was looking for ways to promote someone else, I would want a guy like Beverley to get that promotion, as opposed to someone like Kyle Lowry or Isaiah Thomas, because Beverley isn't an equal or better player and his limitations will continue to show. Until they replace Lin with an equal or better quality PG, Lin remains essential to the Rockets' success.

 

This is why some questioned Clutch's article, especially the timing. PB "deserving" and then some may think Lin "undeserving". I respect Clutch's oppinions though even though I disagree with him sometimes.

BTW, no personal insults please. When you insult others, you are acutally belittling yourself as well. Peace!

 

I really don't understand this thinking. Some of the fans here are far too defensive about individual players. There was nothing negative said about Lin in the article. So what if he thinks, from what's happened so far this season, that Beverley in the starting lineup has worked better? Its nothing personal.

 

Agreed. Discussing who is deserving is moot. Using stats is moot. The only thing worth saying is that the team/coaches made this decision and there is no sign that they are going back this season. Nothing is conclusive so far. We will have to wait at least till the end of regular season and playoff to make a judgement on whether this was a good decision.

 

Beverly is the better one on one defender as he has quicker lateral movements that prevents blow bys and can put a lot of pressure to force opponent PG to make mistakes.

Lin is the better post up defender when bigger opponents want to post him up. Lin has the size advantage over Bev and muscle to hold his ground.

That said, this system benefits Bev more because we need more on ball defense and try to disrupt opponent guards, but sometimes you will see Mchale put Lin in there for defensive purposes to help guard bigger players.

Hopefully, if Lin and Asik excel with the second units we could reduce Harden and Parson's minutes. We don't want to run them to the ground especially when we have high expectation this year in the playoffs

 

i realise this is off topic but i have been searching for this and cant find it.

do you know the place to find teams/players turnovers in reference to dead vs alive ball turnovers? i cant seem to find it anywhere

 

nbawowy.com has it. Click ball-handling tab for breakdown for individual players, and team tab for breakdown for the team.