I tried that crazy RealGM and NOTHING worked when it came to Indiana because of Croshere's full BYC issue. There are a few teams where a deal could be feasible. Olajuwon doesn't necessarily have to go to a contender, just a place where he feels comfortable and has a shot to play on beyond this season. I don't view it as a real possibility simply because of the HUGE salary number Hakeem has and because the Rockets won't want just to unload him for whoever. They would be better off letting his contract run out and taking the cap space. The only thing I could see making this more interesting is the fact that there are so few free agents available after this season. Webber is going to be nearly impossible to get to Houston for a variety of reasons - mainly, he wants to play on the east coast. Outside of that, Finley is the only guy worth having and the way Dallas is looking makes me believe he won't want to move. So, that leaves the Rockets with a big salary cap hole that they can fill with Mo Taylor and Shandon Anderson (if they choose to do so) OR make a move with Hakeem and pick up some young players that can either be sent elsewhere or be signed long-term. With a guy like Hakeem and his contract, though, it isn't like there are too many options available. ------------------ Mmmmmmm. Sacrelicious.
I agree with Jeff that if we do make a trade this year, we need to get a lot, because by giving up the cap space, we're giving up a lot. How about we drag Chicago into the mix? They've got cap room & some promising talent. Does any other team have cap space available this year? If the Rockets do something, it'll almost have to include a third team. ------------------
Whatever happens, I hope Dream, the Rockets management, and Rockets fans ALL are class acts and in no way resemble the Ewing/Knicks debacle. What a disgrace. ------------------ GATER
The Rockets will do what's best for themselves and Hakeem. Not necessarily the fans. If Hakeem wants to go, and the Rockets can get value for him, by all means go for it, put him in a good situation and not burn bridges with him, by all means go for it. That is not to say I'm a proponent of trading Hakeem. That said, I got on realGM just screwing around with some scenarios: Hakeem to NY; Camby, Longley, Knight, Childs to Houston (it works but a lot of fillers for us, when do Longley, Knight and Childs' contracts end? Hakeem to NJ; Kittles, McIlvaine, Martin to Houston- The answer to the PF prayers in the form of KMart....and the nightmares of a guy with many years on his contract and no productivity-I'm speaking of Kittles, not McIvaine, a deviation of this deal would be something involving Keith Van Horn. McIlvaine could be subbed for Feick. Hakeem to Phoenix; Googs and Robinson to Houston-if Googs recovers, this is a VERY nice deal, probably too nice ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
How about Googs and Rodney Rogers to play SF for us.....We'd have a super team....BTW, can Googs play any Center? ------------------
LMAO!!! Nobody is going to make a trade for Hakeem unless they need cap room for next year, because future cap room is Hakeem's greatest (and only as far as I can see) asset! ------------------
Unfortunately the Rockets are not going to sign a top FA next year. That hurts, but recognition is the first step. The Rockets should act now. NIKE, I was playing that game w/ the Nets & Knicks too.... it sure is hard to get rid of a $17M contract. Van Horn is a full byc as well for $9 (or 4.5) mill. If the Rockets want to truly get screwed w/ a trade they could always acquire G. Robinson from the Bucks.... a $12M Walt that doesn't rebound isn't very attractive though. Chicago needs indentured servants... I mean players. A Hakeem trade that served the purpose of acquiring a young pf such as Martin or Fizer seems like the only ideal trade (C. Ward to the Bulls?). Croshere from Indiana is bunk... I suspect a Harrington, etc. is something else the Pacers would want to unload but the Pacers have no high money players other than Reggie and Jalen... trading w/ them is next to impossible. {this trade works but is unlikely} Houston - Dream to the Knicks Houston - S. Anderson to the Knicks Knicks - Houston to Houston Knicks - Marcus Camby to Houston Knicks - Charlie Ward to Houston Unfortunately the Knicks get somewhat pillaged in this trade. It'd be fun pull in a third or fourth to make things equitable. I got this accepted first try: houston trades: Hakeem Olajuwon $16,700,000 to knicks houston trades: Shandon Anderson $2,200,000 to knicks houston trades: Carlos Rogers $2,200,000 to knicks houston trades: Moochie Norris $523,500 to knicks TOTAL: $21,623,500 knicks trades: Allan Houston $9,000,000 to houston knicks trades: Marcus Camby $5,750,000 to houston knicks trades: Charlie Ward $5,044,445 to chicago knicks trades: Travis Knight $3,200,000 to chicago TOTAL: $22,994,445 chicago trades: Marcus Fizer $2,562,000 to houston chicago trades: Jamal Crawford $1,762,320 to knicks TOTAL: $4,324,320 TRADE ACCEPTED Due to houston and knicks being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. houston and knicks had to be within 15% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. houston would also receive a trade exemption of $4,411,500 with this trade. This would have to be used within one calendar year from the date of this trade. Be aware that this exemption will be extinguished if the team which possesses it falls below the cap by the combined amount of the exemptions it currently possesses. A pick or so to the Bulls, and this isn't that unfair. ------------------ Senior GOP strategists say privately that a key reason the Bush campaign did not ask for a statewide recount was it feared that Gore would pick up more votes than Bush, because of the high rate of ballot spoilage in black precincts. - MSNBC.
HEB is right-our big acquisitions (if any) this coming offseason won't be free agency (we have not the money or the enticement of a NY to get Webber) Hakeem, Shandon, Rogers, and Norris for Houston, Camby, and Fizer? If there were no PR things with Hakeem and Shandy, sign me up in a heartbeat. It'd only work if Hakeem and Shandon both want to leave. Camby/Cato/Collier (hehe Triple "C") Fizer/Mo/KT (maybe change the order) Walt/Bull/Lanky Houston/Mobley Francis/Mobley (Houston gets some SF minutes, with Mobley also filling some backup PG duties) Send Chicago a couple of picks (plenty to spare, we'd be so freaking deep), draft Terrence Morris and we're set for the next 10 years or so. ------------------ The Serious Police are watching. Follow the rules or be assimilated. Shandon is underrated.
Terrence Morris sucks especially compared to all the slightly younger, but more athletic and higher potential SF in the college game. But Id do that NYC/Chicago trade in a second anyway ------------------ "There are some frauds so well conducted that it would be stupidity not to be deceived by them." Charles Caleb Colton (1780-1832)
Hakeem has proven himself by now; he can still play (if no as he did several years ago). A straight-up trade would have to involve, unfortunately, Derrick McKey, I believe: O'Neal + McKey + Tabak + Perkins And we would have to yield more than just Hakeem. Draft picks? Collier and Langhi? (Sends them closer to home.) I thought of Indiana as a "Dream" destination before, but a lot of players would have to change hands. And we'd have to either move or waive other players. Or get a three-way going. Still...interesting... ------------------
HEB, Robinson is a couple of levels above Walt Williams, and that's an understatement. He's a threat to score 20+ points every night unlike Walt. And as for rebounding, he's averaging nearly 7 rebounds and 4 assists a game in addition to his 20+ ppg average. He's not the one-dimensional scorer that he used to be. He actually knows what a pass and an assist is now. I don't know what his personality is like, but if we need another scoring/rebounding player that can at times pass the ball, he's not a bad choice. Whether or not we'd be getting screwed by getting just him for Hakeem is debatable. ------------------ If you like larger booties, Domanique Sachsa would be on that list as well. Jeff of SaveMeSomeBooty.com fame in the BBS Hangout forum (hope the man doesn't run for a political position - he's dead meat)
Ok, for those of you supposing a Kenyon Martin-to-Houston-for-Hakeem trade scenario, why on earth would it happen? If you're a team not exactly knocking down the playoff doors, why would you trade arguably the best player in this past draft for Hakeem who is in the twilight (midnight?) of his career? And those of you wanting CAMBY for Hakeem, same question. Camby is arguably the stud of that team. Hell, he's #5 in the NBA in rebounding and #4 in blocked shots, he's 26 years old... why on earth would I give him up for Hakeem? For 1 title run? ------------------ If you like larger booties, Domanique Sachsa would be on that list as well. Jeff of SaveMeSomeBooty.com fame in the BBS Hangout forum (hope the man doesn't run for a political position - he's dead meat) [This message has been edited by Dr of Dunk (edited December 09, 2000).]
Uggh... We HAVE to lose Dream after this season. If we don't, then we certainly lose both Shandon and Maurice. I know, neither have been playing up to par lately, but you don't just throw away talent like that - either of them. They're both young, skilled, etc... No one is going to give us what we want in trade value for Hakeem. Trades after this year are out. Possibly a sign/trade, but only for someone we wouldn't want. Don't do it. Just stick to the plan for now: resign Mo and Shandon with the cap space Hakeem's absence will give us. An extra year of gelling should do wonders for these two; aside from that, look for another C in the draft. ------------------
No way Cato can take Hakeem’s place. He is too soft on the boards and totally disappears in too many games. I love it when he attacks the basket from the weak side for easy dunks but it doesn't happen enough. With his defense and shot blocking he could be a defensive player of the year candidate if he would just learn to be aggressive and rebound. But that wish is just a pipe dream. Collier doesn't have the defensive presence that either Hakeem or Cato can provide but he does appear to have some offensive value and can board better than Cato because he has better technique and does not get himself out of position trying to block shots like Cato. Bottom line...Only Hakeem can get us a double double on any kind of consistent basis. And he can still be a defensive presence in spurts. He even appears to be running the floor more than in the recent past. If Rudy would get him more than 25 minuets a game I think he would be avg. a double double and a couple of blocks a game. While he is not the dominant player he once was, Shaq is about the only center Hakeem can't at least hang with. I think Hakeem still has some trade value but noone is going to mortgage the franchise for a player that is going to give them two years at best unless he is going to put them over the top, Hakeem is not going to do that. Further more Hakeem is still our best option at center. We will not get anyone in return that can do the things Dream can do (even in his geriatric state) in a trade. 1. The Bulls aren't going to give up Fizer. 2. The Nets aren't going to give up KMart. 3. The Nicks aren't going to give up Camby. 4. And the Pacers certainly will not give up Rose and in time Collier will be able to do the same thing that Croshere can do only at the 5 spot. Besides none of those players can fix our 5 spot. Since Hakeem’s salary will not allow us to trade just for draft picks then our best option is to let him play out the season and then either resign him next season or give him one hell of a farewell party. ------------------
The overall trade that I suggested isn't that unfair. The Knicks face Houston leaving at the end of the season. The Knicks already have been playing Sprewell at the #1... making Charlie Ward somewhat expendable. The Knicks have also been rumored to have offered Camby + Houston + etc. for Dikembe. If you were the Knicks would you want the 17,243 rain storms old (approx. 43 std. years) Dikembe or the package of Shandon Anderson and Hakeem and Carlos Rogers and a potential laden rookie and a decent backup pg? If you are Chicago right now... you're dealing w/ the fact that you have a point that isn't suited to Jabba's offensive set. You have a 6'7" #4 pick that is suited to the same position as your previous #1 pick. You obviously have problems. Obviously Charlie Ward and Travis Knight aren't worth Fizer and Crawford (though Fizer and Crawford are stinking up the joint so far). If I were the Bulls though... I'd consider a deal for Charlie Ward and Camby... (again, if you assume that the Knicks truly offered that set for Dikembe... and again that the Houston package I mentioned is worth more than Dike.). If the Bulls truly want to pick up a strong FA next year such as Finley... they'll need a point and they'll need a C. PG- Ward SG- Mercer SF- Finley PF- Brand C - Camby. That team doesn't look too bad. As far as Houston... well, I'd rather see Dream in the finals again more than see the Rockets get Houston + Fizer + T. Knight, but I think that it's safe to say that this would be equitable from the Rockets' perspective (if you switched out the destinations for Camby and T. Knight in the previous trade I tested). ------------------ Senior GOP strategists say privately that a key reason the Bush campaign did not ask for a statewide recount was it feared that Gore would pick up more votes than Bush, because of the high rate of ballot spoilage in black precincts. - MSNBC.
No trade is going to get the Rox to seriously challange for the finals this year. Knowing that, I say our best option is to stand pat and do nothing for now. Lets enjoy Dreams last season as a Rocket and use all that extra salary cap room to chase Webber in the off season. Adding Webber would do more for this team than any trade we could possibly make for Dream. Also, Mooch is very valuble part of the team off the bench. He is one of the things that are going right for this team. I would think long and hard before trading him and screw up the chemistry that he has with Steve, Shandon and Cat. And just to let you know...Micheal Finnly loves Dallas and Mark Cuban. He's not going anywhere next year. He will resign with Dallas. Sorry Chicago. ------------------
Why would we need to loose Dream to sign Taylor and Anderson ? With 16 mil. It seem's to me we should be able to sign all three.If we decide to keep Taylor then I wouldn't pay him much more than the minimum and if his agent feel's Taylor is worth more,than send him packing. Taylor imo isn't even worth starting and neither is Shandon.Mobley should start and maybe Taylor could come in as the 6th to provide an off. spark.Since he obviousley won't rebound or play D. Anyway I think everyone is being way too hard on Dream.He just exspressed a desire to prove he still can play well before he retire's.He didn't demand anything and he didn't ask to be made the fockass of the team. Only to be more involved.I feel we owe him as much. If he feel's he can then we owe him the chance. ------------------ [This message has been edited by DAROckets (edited December 09, 2000).]
