[ClutchFans] The numbers are clear: Patrick Beverley deserves to start over Jeremy Lin

The team wins exactly the same number of games with or without Lin. By default, that would mean his starting is equally as successful as him off the bench.

 

welp im check out those highlights because my team is fkin AWESOME!

 

Ver reasonable response. Based on the numbers (and it's not a lot of games) and some logic, it makes sense for Beverley to be in the starting unit - primarily bc Lin's strengths are duplicated by Harden's strengths, and bc Harden as much as I love him sucks at defense. I'm a fan of Lin but this is about optimizing production. As many have said and the numbers show thus far, Beveley fits better in the starting unit. Put him in with the backups and they run around like headless chickens, and good luck trying to get real scoring or lots of assists. But he brings better fit to the starting unit, and Lin can go all attack mode with the second unit. But I note most posters immediately trash talked against LOFs before any of them responded. Also I would point out that they assume that some people speak for all Lin fans. And let's face it, omst LOHs have been virtually as bad as most LOFs. And both sides use straw men that they then savagely tear apart.

I view Lin as a great guy (have met him) who works 100% all the time, puts the team first (and doesn't b**** when he loses his starting job unlike a whiny Turkish crybaby who could have done wonders for our second unit) and has skill sets that are very valuable in the league but are unfortunately duplicative of our lead guy (Harden). I think he will be an average to very good starting point guard when all is said and done, which is pretty good and an excellent achievement given the disadvantages he's had to come through. I'd trade him in an instant for Paul, Curry and a number of other point guards. I'd trade a lot of other guys for them as well.

Let's just take Clutch's post as a very good argument that Beverley should start and Lin fits better off the bench instead of an opportunity to bash Lin and his supporters. We're paying $28m for center, $3-4M for PF, $2M or for our SF, $15M for SG and $9M for PG (roughly using $8M for Jeremy and Asik). Our PF and SF savings allow us to spend a little more for PG. Although neither of our guys match up to the best PGs, as a tandem they complement each other well (and play well together too). There's no need to get rid of either. Let's keep them both and have two starting quality PGs while others have a great PG and a not so good backup. And then let's ship out Asik's ass for a good backup center, sharpshooter and perimeter defender.

 

My point exactllllllyyyyyyyyy............I'm not rebutting that Bev should the starter, but to statistically make this determination based off of this weak sample is kinda novice.

 

Completely true, and Lin has behaved like a professional about it. Unlike a certain whiny-ass center.

 

That is not what that means at all.

 

What should we make the determination off of?

 

Yes, you are harassing me.

 

8 mill a year. The other 7 million is paid by the owner and doesn't affect our cap in any way. If the owner is fine paying the money out of his pocket so should we. Inability of our GM? lol yeah we should fire Morey.

 

Ok, stop harassing this site.

 

agreed brother.....agreed.

 

No longer a debate, end of discussion.



Beverley - Harden - Parsons - Jones - Howard: (245 Minutes Played; +54 plus/minus*)

112.9 Offensive Efficiency* | 100.2 Defensive Efficiency* | +12.7 Net Efficiency*

48.0 RPG* | 22.7 APG* | 14.6 TOPG* | 7.7 SPG* | 7.5 BPG

56.0 eFG%* | 59.0 TS%* | 50.2 FG%* | 40.5 3-PT%* | 68.2 FT%*

54.6 AST%* | 53.3 REB%* | 76.2 DREB%* | 25.4 OREB%* | 1.56 AST/TO*

Opponents Statistics:

42.1 RPG* |23.5 APG* | 13.0 TOPG* | 9.7 SPG | 6.9 BPG

15.8 PTS OFF TO* | 12.5 2nd PTS* | 14.2 FBPs | 45.3 PITP

47.7 eFG%* | 43.8 FG%* | 35.0 3-PT%* | 73.7 FT%


Lin - Harden - Parsons - Jones - Howard: (248 Minutes Played; +17 plus/minus)

107.2 Offensive Efficiency | 103.3 Defensive Efficiency | +4.0 Net Efficiency

46.8 RPG | 20.8 RPG | 16.9 TOPG | 6.8 SPG | 8.2 BPG

53.6 eFG% | 57.3 TS% | 49.4 FG% | 33.3 3-PT% | 67.0 FT%

53.8 AST% | 1.7 REB% | 75.4 DREB% | 24.8 OREB% | 1.23 AST/TO

Opponent Statistics:

43.7 RPG | 24.5 APG | 12.4 TOPG | 8.7 SPG* | 6.8 BPG*

19.8 PTS OFF TO | 15.2 2nd PTS | 9.3 FBPs* | 42.7 PITP*

50.0 eFG% | 45.2 FG% | 35.9 3-PT% | 70.7 FT%*



The 1st starting lineup won 26 of the 32 categories... that's 81.3%. *Drops mic*

 

How can you argue against that? There's no argument, period.

 

How about some stats that reflect each PGs production per possession. That way, there's a much larger sample pool, and a more level playing field to tell the story. There's too much volatility basing these stats off of games played...

 

knew clutch is bev only fan. but don't you can sink to this low. enough said.

 

LOF troll. You have been flagged.

 

Muuuuccccchhhh better stats. Somebody tag clutch....lol. End of discussion right here.

 

Another addition to my ignore list. There is one thing you said, however, that I agree with. You've said enough.

 

Cyberx has noted this. I would bet really good money that this is a true statement but no one but Les will know how much money he makes off Lin. But it's not ginormous - it could just be significant (but not significant enough to stop a good trade or getting superstar or near superstar by trading/dropping Lin).

I was at a Lin event at Toyota Center. Hinkie told the crowd that we were getting to see Lin for far, far cheaper than the corporate people did and that it would have normally cost an arm and a leg. Here are ways Lin adds to the kitty for Les (not the Rockets only, but Les including via the Rockets):

1. additional corporate sponsorships / suite sales (some)
2. additional ticket/jersey sales (i consider this minor, actually)
3. marketing dollars - every mention of Lin and the Rockets in every single website, TV show, TV ad, newspaper, etc. = dollars. There is a real dollar cost to marketing, adn every free second of marketing you get is additional marketing dollars you have generated that you did not have to pay for. Every clicked link on a website = money. That develops the brand.
4. joint business opportunities. Although jersey sales are shared, any joint business partnership between the a Taiwanese/Chinese company and either the Rockets or a subsidiary of Les that is not owned by the Rockets is incredibly valuable
5. Lin's value on the court. I'd say he's worth somewhere between $6-9M a year, depending on his confidence level, so he's close to value.

So, Lin has value on and off the court. Doesn't mean he's worth mega mega millions. It just means he's a good business value for Les even beyond the salary.

 

There's very few people that actually want him to do poorly, every rockets fan wants every rockets player to be a boss. He started out the year so well, hopefully he can get back there in the 6th man roll.

Super excited about our team becoming healthy again, I really want to see the combo of asik/dmo/Lin become deadly and allow us to hold those first half leads.