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Do you honestly think Francis and Ming complement each other?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by mingonly, May 6, 2003.

  1. mingonly

    mingonly Member

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    Some questions,
    1.if you could do it over again,would Francis be worth a max contract?
    2.Does Francis & Ming work well together?
    3.Can they co-exist?
    4.Ming is a half court player,Francis isn't. Francis needs to be on a running team doesn't he?
    5.What future direction should this team go,such as what type of players do you think will co-exist with Ming /Francis if neither one can be traded?

    After the 2002 season,before Ming was drafted,Rudy said "we want to run more". This team didnt run more this year like he said. Do you want this team to be a running team (like Sac) or a half court team (like 94 rockets)?

    This summer is a big turning point for this team for the future. Should the rockets focus on half court slow old veterans that complement Ming like Glenn Robinson,Steve Smith,Jon Barry? Or should this team sign fast players that can run a break and complement Francis?

    You cant have both. All the players that are great 3pt shooters are old,slow and cant run anymore.Except for Brent Barry. He is the ONLY player besides maybe Jamal Crawford that can run a fast break while also hitting the three. I think Crawford has improved this year his 3 pt% during the second half.

    Bottom line:I dont think Francis and Ming complement each other. Rudy wanted a fast team that isos do death and young but then we won Ming. Ming is more better for a slow,organized,half court style offense like the 94 rockets. Which I also think Rudy is only good at. Rudy doesnt know how to run a motion offense so signing players that can "run" or "motion" would be stupid since Rudy would have them planted on the 3pt line all game. Ie:pippen,Shandon,etc.

    I am not bashing Rudy or Ming or Steve.I just think all three are kinda going in three opposite directions.

    Bottom line: I think Francis is impossible to trade because of BYC,and Ming wont be traded either. So the rockets should sign/trade for players that can RUN with Steve while also hitting the three to comlement Mings inside/out game.

    I dont think we can have a spurs/sixers style offense. Larry Brown isnt as smart as you think. I finally got around to watching a 76 game and trust me,we dont want to run that offense. They run Iverson do death in iso after iso after iso. That is not good. Myabe they didnt do that in 2001 but they do now without Mutombo.

    The spurs are fun to watch. But there 3 pt shooters are also quick and can run a break like Gino,Parker,Bowen,jackson. Notice Steve Smith doesnt play because he suck.

    If you want the rockets to run a 94 offense,with stand still outside shooters,then its time to trade Francis for a stand still excellent 3 pt shooter like maybe a Troy Hudsen.

    If you want to run,then quit talking about veterans that have lost their legs. Glen Rice anyone?

    What I dont understand,is that alot of people here want slow 3pt shooters at the small forward to complement Ming. Did you forget about Rice this year.He is one of the best three point shooters ever and we still missed playoffs. Walt Williams is also a good 3t shooter and we never won with him.

    Bottom line: Focus on players that are fresh legs(young) and can hit three and can run a fast break once in a while with Steve.

    I like Brent Barry,Jamal Crawford,Richard Hamilton,but NOT Wally world. Wally is Sloooooow. Bullard anyone? I like Bullard ,but is Bullard worth 10 million a year?Thats what youll have if you trader for Wally.

    Another thing,I think Boston nachbar can be a "brent barry" type. He hasnt reached his prime like Brent Barry has. Do NOT trade Boki. I like him. I also am not in favor of moving Steve to the 2 and having the smallest backcourt in the league.Thats why I love Crawford.(6'6 with long arms).

    And dont tell me about "zone". Rudy doesnt know how to run a zone so forget that.If he did,the rockets would have no folded down the stretch.Cuttino is a better defender than a Sam Cassell and we still couldnt stop other teams guards. Imagine how bad it will be with a worst defender than Cuttino along side Steve.
     
  2. Likemike33

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    I agree with you on that one. But the first thing this team needs is chemistry and for that no major change should be made. Let then team grow, we kno what to expect from Yao, francis and even cat. Griffin can't get worse than this year and the improvment of Cato is big plus too. Mo will be in a good conditon since 2001, I like this team. Steve and Yao will complement each other well.
     
  3. sydmill

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    I believe that the whole Hakeem/Clyde thing worked didn't it? I am not saying that Yao or Steve are as good as either Dream (hell no) or the Glyde (maybe?).
     
  4. wizkid83

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    1. Yes, because if we don't some else will, and we lose him to for nothing. He's also definitely a top 5 pg and a top 10 guard overall. Not mention a two time all - star, at the age of 26, those are quite nice on a resume.

    2. Yes, but it's gonna take some adjusting on their parts. Steve need to trust Yao more, but Yao's gonna have to be more assertive to earn that trust. I see Steve not passing to Yao in the post a lot, but I also see Yao get the ball in the post, stands, look around and then just pass it back out. If you're a star big man you look for the shot first period. If you're a star pg, you look for the open man first period.

    3. Yes, I can see a Hakeem Clyde, Shaq Kobe kind of relationship.

    4. No, Francis is actually more of a half court player, he actually runs a horrible break.

    5. Tough nosed defensive players that can knock down the open shot. Mario Elie type is the most ideal. Remember, Francis drives and dishes, he'd get more assist if our players can knock down an open 3.
     
  5. spence99

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    What makes you think the Rockets would like to run with Francis? He's been here 4 years and has never run. If anything, Ming should have helped the running game this year because he pulled down some rebounds. We will never run with Francis because he pulls down too many rebounds. If he wants to run, he needs to trust the big guys to pull down the boards and start running as they rebound.
     
  6. A-Train

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    If the Rockets are going to make Yao the focus of the offense, then they'll have to trade Steve. Neither he nor the team is as effective when somebody other than Steve is the main focus of the offense. Also, as Yao improves and becomes a better player, the fans will demand that he get the ball more, at the expense of Steve. The two aren't compatible long term, and Rockets management will choose the more marketable Yao over Francis. My opinion is that Steve will be gone after two more seasons...
     
  7. HotRocket

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    Based on your name alone, I don't think there is a reason for anyone to try to convince you otherwise.
     
  8. Uprising

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    not entirely true. It has been proven that cat and Steve can run a good fast break. But the big guy needs to get the rbs not Stevie. When we had barkley he used to grab alot of boards and throw them out then cat to steve or vice versa for an alley oop. Shandon had a bunch of those too, driving the fast break into the paint to toss the pass to the high flying steve. Actually....maybe shandon was a big part of our fast break as he would bring it up quickly and dish it to steve.

    "That's some of the acrobatic play we have been hearing about"-suns sports cast.


    "The future of the organization is that dynamic Duo in the back court."- Hawks broadcaster.

    No that we have our Franchise Center, hopefully he will grab more rbs so the back court can be charging down the court.
     
  9. heypartner

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    I do have an opinion on this.

    But I refuse to say it to someone whose moniker is

    mingonly

    my BI-UID alert is off the scales. This guy is so a regular poster. I'll bet SmeggySmeg on that!

    you do have to give him credit, though. He spelled "complement" correctly.
     
  10. OmegaSupreme

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    yep. this way we'll have the "young" excuse if we miss the playoffs again next year. :rolleyes:

    why do we need younger players? young, old, talented, a bust... who cares? until the coach drills into each player's head what their role is, it's pointless. :mad:

    cuttino doesn't know that he's not a superstar. griffin doesn't know that he's not jermaine o'neal. rice doesn't know that he has NO post up game anymore. all you hear about is player's complaining about shot distribution. that's the sign of BAD coaching and immature players. that's pretty sad for a veteran like rice. so you think we need more of that with "young and fresh" legs? :mad:

    charles jones knew his role during his brief stint with the rockets in the 90s.... to foul the hell out of any opposing center if one of the other rockets centers was in foul trouble. otis thorpe knew his role... the defensive enforcer. robert horry stayed within the confines of the game while ignoring the scottie pippen comparisons at the beginning of his career. NO ONE (other than vernon) stepped out of their role to be somebody that they weren't. it was the perfect mixture of young and old. they can coexist. :mad:

    somewhere along the line, the players that were traded for and drafted were completely out of tune with what the rockets needed at the time. :mad:

    shortly after that, rudy lost his balls. he's a player's coach now. "yes sir, thank you sir, take as many shots as you like sir." :mad:

    sorry... i'm going off the subject here... :D

    anyway, no we don't need young/fresh legs. no we don't need to trade francis or ming. rudy needs to get a pair and be an enforcer or get out. :mad:
     
  11. GATER

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    Maybe it's "proven" to you, but I've got a whole season of tapes telling me that Mobley and Francis are among the leagues worst at making good decisions on a break...and I'm not even going to get into the fact that the don't keep the ball in the middle of the court on a break.

    The Rockets are 19th in FB points and 23rd in points off of TO's. If you removed every one of Francis's DRebs, the team would still be a Top 10 DReb team.

    IMHO, they can't run, don't run and screw up when they try to run.
     
  12. MFW2310

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    Well, there is the homer/optimisitc answer and then there is the honest answer.
     
  13. DavidS

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    Francis came into the league with great athletic ability, but lacked fundamentals.
    Yao came into the league with great fundamentals, but lacked athletic ability.

    In 2-3 more years (Francis 6th, Yao's 3rd), they both should meet in the middle.
     
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  14. KeepJuaquin

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    Mobley and Steve kinda compliment each other.
    So do Yao and Steve.

    If we have good coaching....then they should find a way to design a system where everything is all nice and happy and stuff. And where the players improve their weaknesses and strengths in the summer. And combine to make beautiful team play.

    MAN.

    Just watch the Sacramento Kings vs. the Dallas Mavericks.

    God. Just beautiful.
     
  15. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    I think Francis and Yao can work together.......but the key is moving Francis over to the SG position and off of the PG position.
     

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