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Does anybody know if there is a stat for PPP strictly in the half-court offense?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by bmd, Jan 18, 2014.

  1. bmd

    bmd Member

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    The Rockets score a lot of points and have a high points per possession. But they are very good at scoring in transition the second phase right after transition while players are still shuffling around.

    I'm curious as to how well their actual set half-court offense is, and would like to find a stat that can measure points per possession strictly in the half-court.

    Does anybody know where I can find that stat if there even is such a thing?
     
  2. durvasa

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    You can determine points per play for non-transition plays from Synergy (just subtract the stats for transition from the total).

    I don't know of a good way to determine points per possession without manually analyzing the play-by-play yourself.
     
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    For the rockets it's probably around .02
     
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    They should start keeping track on that. The OP asked a good question. I wouldn't be surprised if Morey has that kind of stuff analyzed.

    The eye test tells us that we are not very efficient in a half court set. We looked pretty bad last season. We haven't looked much better this season.
     
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    The Rockets do keep track of this. Morey has specifically referenced the Rockets half-court offense being much better than it may seem at least once on the radio. May even have been this year, though I'm not certain there.

    I don't know how Synergy tracks transition plays (i.e. what they define transition plays as), but not every non-transition play is half-court offense. Early offense make up a ton of possession for any team that plays with pace and obviously pretty much any sort of action is much harder to defend when the defense isn't quite set yet -- even when all 10 guys are in the half-court.
    I'm also not sure if sideline- and baseline-out of bound plays should be tracked as half-court offense. I know that the full version of Synergy (the one the teams pay for) actually keeps track of PPP for sideline- and baseline out of bound plays as well after timeout plays, so I'm guessing that if full-Synergy also keeps track of half-court PPP, it does not include those sort of plays.
     
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    So, just looked at the numbers from Synergy for WC playoff contenders:

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    [B]Tm        Non-Trans  Trans   %Trans[/B]
    Spurs        0.96     1.13    13.7%
    Blazers      0.95     1.13    11.5%
    Mavericks    0.94     1.24    11.3%
    Clippers     0.92     1.18    15.8%
    Rockets      0.92     1.16    16.6%
    Thunder      0.92     1.11    15.1%
    Warriors     0.91     1.08    13.8%
    Suns         0.90     1.13    18.1%
    Wolves       0.90     1.13    14.6%
    Nuggets      0.89     1.11    15.4%
    Pelicans     0.88     1.12    15.6%
    Grizzlies    0.88     1.16     9.8%
    
    This is points per play, as reported by Synergy, and for non-transition it might be slightly off due to rounding error. Basically, we're middle of the pack as far as WC playoff contenders go. Which isn't bad, because we also get a high percentage of plays in transition.
     
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    Good points. Non-transition plays from Synergy is the best I can think of. There's also eFG% on shots out of a timeout provided by NBAWowy.com, and 82games.com has eFG% for shots at various points in the shot clock.

    According to stats.nba.com, we have 651 fast break points this season. Synergy says we scored approx. 855 "transition" points. So, that's about 204 points which are not counted as fast break points. It could be free throws (don't think those are counted as fast break points), or it could be some other early offense scores.
     
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    I don't have Synergy, it possible to limit that to the 2nd half / 4th Q?

    Rationale being A) Dwight becomes dead weight and B) NBA teams coast in the 1st half, which isn't as much the case in the playoffs. I'm curious whether our crazy rate of freethrows & drives offsets the average 3pt shooters & lack of ball movement.
     
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    Don't think so.

    Whatever numbers I used are freely available:

    http://www.mysynergysports.com/

    It only works for me in IE though. Not Chrome.
     
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    If a fast break results in a 2-shot foul, would the points scored counted as fast break points? non-transition points?
     
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    If it doesn't, it should.
     
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    I thought it didn't, but I could very well be wrong.
     
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    OP asks a great question. Been thinking the same. It's not just fast break that we are talking about, but rather the offense being run at any time before the players "settle in" to the half court set. The Rockets seem to find more opportunities while the defense is still getting into position.

    Stats are difficult to use to reveal what's going on here. The term "points in transition" refers to anything from a fast break to that point where the team begins operating out of a half court set. Take away the obvious fast break opportunity baskets and look at the rest. Maybe it comes down to a lack of ball/player movement in the half court offense. It does seem like there is a sweet spot in all this where this team is very efficient. You just wonder if they are actively seeking to operate in that zone or not.
     

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