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Lin making the case for being a starter?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by trugoy, Jan 1, 2014.

  1. munsteur

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    Lin is who he is. He is playing his 3rd season as a starter. He was playing well and consistently before he suffered some injuries, after which his production decreased somewhat. All the derogatory talks and projections of why he cannot achieve this or that are meaningless. The guy is a hard-worker throughout his life to get to where he is right now, so quit hating because "It's not even fair to the dude".
     
  2. ROXTXIA

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    Sssshhhh! Don't get them riled up! Don't get them riled up!

    You'll wind up like Neo fighting off a thousand Agent Smiths.

    "Too late, Mr. Anderson."
     
  3. lucnguye92

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    If he could just stop ball-watching. Seriously, I like him as a player. Good and bad, I'll take it all but the one thing that drives me absolutely nuts is the ball-watching. It's atrocious. A second thing would be jumping in the air with no plan.
     
  4. King1

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    He also played a full 4 years in college. Stop making excuses for the fact that he's been inconsistent. It's not "hating", it's the truth.
     
  5. King1

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    Completely agree.
     
  6. TheJet

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    Last year or this year? He started this year on fire. He had a great second half of last year. To me, that's not enough to use the term consistent. I'm talking about big picture consistency. In general the larger the sample the more accurate it's going to be.
     
  7. SirKen

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    Why are you guys defending Lin?!

    You can see that he hasn't playing with the same level of intensity as the beginning of the season. He is only playing for himself now, not for the team. He will most likely leave after his contract is over.

    It is over, Lin won't be a major piece to help Rockets in the starting lineup. His performance should be good enough for the 6th man. There isn't a case to make about him.

    If it was up to me, I would package him and Asik to try and get some value in return.
     
  8. iJHolmes

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    agreed, i was at the game last night and it was driving me crazy watching him do that. to add with the jumping in the air thing, the ring around the rosey in the middle of the court thing needs to stop. Sometimes it works, but most of the time he just runs in circles trying to find someone and its up being a bad pass or a desperate shot.

    as said before lin is what he is. He started off the season shooting great, but watching him last night miss wide open shots, and easy shots, he seems to be in a slump as of lately. Lin was doing a good job of getting open, he just couldn't hit the backside of a barn unless it was a layup.

    I would be beyond happy with lin as our 6th man if he could shoot the outside/mid-range shot consistently, even with his faults right now. Because he's quick, and he's good at getting open. We just need someone who can sink the shots.
     
  9. Spyckie

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    I think I can understand why this is. Lin comes from a different race, background, and culture than most players, and he probably doesn't find too much common ground with them outside the court.

    He's the only competent asian baller in the league, so he can't find common ground with his ethnicity. You've seen him get along with others who come from Ivy Leagues (like Fields) and introverts like Novak. He doesn't have anyone else who likes to go to church like he does. Due to his particular background I think he's really struggling to find meaningful connections with people in the basketball world.

    I see this translating onto the court where people play ball around him. He's part of the system but not part of the group. He can do several things well as an individual - guard people, drive, be the pass out - but I think he feels that no one really cares for him or has his back when he's playing.

    If people yell at you for doing bone headed plays, that's a sign of a lack of camaraderie, and that really makes it hard for you to have confidence. It's like how dwight was playing last year with the Lakers - good, but not to his potential because he didn't have the positive faith from his teammates.
     
  10. Fighton

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    he's been playing basketball for a very long, long, long time. this is not the first basketball team he's ever been on. you think he's been playing with asians and ivy leaguers his whole life?

    let's not read into things that are not there (and even project some of our own experiences on him). there are people that he gets along with and find things in common with, and there are people that he doesn't, and it has nothing to do with race. he gets along with a lot of black players as well as non black players, ivy league and non ivy league. he and bev are very tight, and their culture and background can't be more different.

    just like any workplace, there are people you'll click with, and people you won't. doesn't mean you can't be great teammates and play well together. these are pro athletes who play basketball but at the end of the day, they go home to their own lives.
     
  11. Apache

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    better enjoy lin service while you can and stop hatin and complaining about lin. Because in another 1 years his contract is ova, do u think he'll resign ? lol
     
  12. chenjy9

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    If he was actually good enough and an essential part of our team moving forth, Rockets fans might have some concern. The truth is, he isn't a critical piece for us moving forward and he is not good enough where us Rockets fans can tolerate his worshipers so most of us honestly won't care much if he stays or leaves. He is nothing more than a stop gap for us after we entered rebuilding. If anything, DM has shown us with our merry-go-round of PG's the last few years that finding another PG to fill his shoes is easy peasy.
     
  13. SirKen

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    This so much. Hope some people will understand it though.
     
  14. tomato123

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    Well. I keep hearing that this team does not need a playmaking point guard and Beverley is best "fit" for harden.

     
  15. ccrystal99

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    I guess you feel really good to talk down on him as if by talking down on him you dilusionally feel that you have elivated yourself :rolleyes:
    He is still playing on Rockets for a valid reason which you refuse to admit:p.
    I am a Lin fan because I like him, I don't like to fight, and I never boasts or worships, and I always wish the best for the team, whatever team he is on. I always wondered if all Rockets fans are like you, since you claimed 'us Rocket fans'.
     
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    I think Lins defensive intensity has picked up since coming back from back spasms, hope he continues and battles Bev for the starting PG I prefer Lins game better with the starting unit.
     
  17. TheJet

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    I think you're reaching here. Lin is a professional. And during Linsanity he had that killer instinct. Statistically I believe he's playing more efficiently now, but his confidence isn't near what it was then. And everyone gets criticism from their teammates and coaches. Granted, Lin seems to get it worse and Harden gets almost none at all (at least to the public) but none of us will ever know what goes on in the locker room. Or what Lin thinks, feels or wants. As far as race goes, I'll tread lightly, but I remember a 7'6" Asian dude with some fierce confidence and good comaraderie with his teammates.
     
  18. WNBA

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    So Morey is pairing Harden and Howard with a 'non-critical' piece in Lin and using the tandem's golden two years as Lin's stop gap?

    Is it still the time to dance around the mediocrity?
     
  19. chenjy9

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    It is very simple actually to understand what makes a good Rockets fan, which makes me wonder why Lin fans have such a hard time understanding this very simple concept: I only care about the Rockets and the Rockets winning. If benching Lin over Bev helps with that, I am all for it. If the staff changes their mind and believe that the other way around becomes true, I will be all for that too. However, I will be supportive of either decisions not because of the players involved, but simply because the team believes it will help them win more.

    Another thing that I doubt a worshiper of his would understand is that this is not me talking down about him, but rather how I and most Rockets fans I know feel about him. He is not a good or great PG all things considered and he is definitely not a star. He is not even our 3rd best option typically. If I was talking down on him, I would be going "OMG Lin sucks!" or "He is such a scrub!" I constantly acknowledge that he is better than Bev, but I also stand by my judgement that he is not anything beyond an above average PG.
     
  20. chenjy9

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    I think Lin plays in what the Rockets have considered a very interchangeable and replaceable position. Daryl Morey has never had any trouble finding a productive starting PG and I see no reason that he will start having trouble now. Lin WAS a stop gap when we lost all our PG's and were rebuilding. We had to start somewhere, might as well be a popular face. Then we got Harden and everything changed for Lin. He was not the star, not expected to be the star. The only reason I think he is still on the team is that we cannot find anyone desperate enough to trade for Lin and his current contract.
     

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