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Best regular season player who is a playoff choker?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Desert Scar, May 2, 2003.

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  1. Desert Scar

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    Has to be Shawn Marion.

    What a brutal playoff (non)perfomer.

    Couple of years ago getting embarrased by Peja. All-star this year only to be AWAL during the meaningful stretches of big games when the outcome is in doubt (don't let his PPG fool you, much came in garbage time of games decided).

    Career mid-high 40s shooter who becomes mid-high 30s in the playoffs.

    You just watch him and keep on expecting him to rise to the occasion when his team is struggling offensively and needs him to be active on the court--only he just seems to fade in the background like a roll player who really doesn't want to be on the big stage.

    I would rather have a player who is medicore most of the time but steps it up a little in the playoffs (Horry) than a great regular player who doesn't show when it does matter.
     
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    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    I imagine it will probably be Timmy Duncan or Chris Webber before the playoffs are over. Timmy did not look good in the first round and he had a rookie covering him most the time. Chris Webber is about ready for his annual choke up.
     
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    Without a doubt, it's Chris Webber...
     
  4. HOOP-T

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    Webber has really turned around his playoff play and has had some nice games. Before the playoffs started, he said he was going to really focus on becoming the team leader, wanting to have the ball in the clutch, etc. So far so good.
     
  5. HakeemdaDream

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    my thoughts exactly!
     
  6. A-Train

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    puff puff pass...

    Tim Duncan isn't looking good? 18 points on 52% shooting (with a 4-12 game), 16 rebounds, 5.2 assists, 3.5 blocks, and a triple double isn't good? He's only attempting 12 field per game in the playoffs. You don't need to score 35 points a game to be effective. He's shooting when he needs to and is passing when he needs to...He's playing point guard better than Parker is right now...

    I gotta go with John Starks as the ultimate playoff choker...
     
  7. Desert Scar

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    TD does the whatever he needs to do to give his team the best chance to win. He also got a ring--it isn't like you are talking like a NBA championship El Foldo player like Karl Malone. I can't say he belongs in this discussion.

    I am not the biggest advocate of Webber as a playoff performer and don't think he elevates his game--but he doesn't completely fold either. Good pick, but not quite.

    I am glad no one mentioned KG also--it really took Shaq and Kobe to stop him. At some point you have to say that guy is awesume even if his team is overmatched, like what is going to happen with Duncan.

    But I'll stick to my guns that one guy in particular looks outstanding in the regular season only to look completely, totally, wimpering in the playoffs--little Shawney.
     
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    yea...what A-Train said. Plus Stoudemire wasn't guarding Duncan alone...he had at least 2 other guys helping him triple team Duncan EVERY POSSESSION. Why do you think duncan got only 12 shots a game???
     
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    When you are the MVP of the league, you need to take more than a dozen shots a game. You don't think the Lakers will start doubling Timmy in the fourth quarter like the previous years.

    Sometimes the league MVP needs to score even when double teamed. Timmy will need big points despite double teams if they are going to have a chance the Fakers.

    If the Spurs lose the series and Timmy averages less than 18-20 shots a game, I would consider it the biggest choke of the playoffs.
     
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    Craig Biggio.
     
  11. HakeemdaDream

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    TD is so weak, no way they are passing the lakers, ole timmy gonna have to have huge scoring games which he is not capable of.
    i know yall are going to slam me for saying this but it's true and we will see who has the last laugh, and if the spurs win i will give you your props.
    by the way, i will be going for the spurs but i know they don't have it in 'em
     
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    When you consider teams that routinely win 1st round match-ups, chokers are best measured by the elimination series. Do you realize how poorly Peja shoots in elimination series. 29%.

    I think he is lifetime 39% in all playoffs, before this year. Dude is a 48% shooter in the regular season.

    Webber is an excellent stat player in all series until the last series, and he actually produced last year. Peja threw up the air ball.

    another one, how about that All Star Wally Shishkabob.
     
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    whodat?
     
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    Wally World is the correct answer ladies and gentleman. Shame on you for missing the obvious.

    Duncan? Are you clueless? Do you know basketball at all? If he's double or tripled and gets the ball to the open player for an easy look created by the defense swarming him and you want him instead to jack up shots. You guys sure admire stupid players.
     
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    I'm sure if they continued triple teaming Duncan, he took 20-25 shots and he shot 40% for the night, you would still include him in this discussion because he "choked." If you watched the Spurs games, you would know that the Suns invited anyone to beat them but Duncan. On many possessions, they had him doubled even before the pass was sent into Duncan. No post player is going to be able to score much against that type of defense. As others have said, Duncan did what he had to do in that series to win, and that is give up the ball to the right people at the right time.

    Hell, there were even a few opportunities when he DID score against double and triple teams, and I thought he was stupid for even trying.
     
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    Steve Nash HAS to qualify if we are talking about this year only. Last game he was 2-11 and scoreless, with 5 points, and scoreless the game prior.

    Maybe I have that backwards.....
     
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    When things get rough and tough, Timmy seems to crumble.

    He has yet show me that he's able to win a game under pressure. He seems to play well when his team is already up by 10 points. A methodical win. Rather than a "go out and get the win."
     
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    I don't think you should count Peja's performance in last year's WCF series. He's injured.

    I vote for Wally. He didn't only shoot poorly. He made dumb decisions and turn the ball over many times. He was one of the major reasons the Wolves lost.
     

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