1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

ClutchFans Game Thread: Knicks @ Rockets 1/3/2014

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Jan 2, 2014.

  1. KlutchQT

    KlutchQT Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    9,156
    Likes Received:
    4,288
    This "explanation" does not change my opinion, nor am I going to apologize for fundamentally disagreeing with you. *shrug*
     
  2. gene18

    gene18 Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2012
    Messages:
    990
    Likes Received:
    23
    I can see you continue to misunderstand what I am saying . BTW take a look at the data just presented on a thread posted today and integrated with what I am saying. It supports my thesis of a hidden agenda regarding Lin. The thread is" Rocket stats 1/1/2014." McHale's explainations don't make much sense in view of this data.
     
  3. larsv8

    larsv8 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2007
    Messages:
    21,663
    Likes Received:
    13,914
    This is a basketball forum, no one cares what you think McHale's hidden agenda is.
     
  4. KlutchQT

    KlutchQT Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    9,156
    Likes Received:
    4,288
    Gene, I do understand what you're saying -- and it's precisely my point. You said you felt McHale owed fans an explanation for not putting Lin back in the game. Although I disagree that he owes fans anything, I simply said that he had provided such an explanation, but that it was one you chose not to believe. I personally don't believe there is a hidden agenda, but you are within your right to believe there is... I'm not arguing you on that at all. I'm simply saying that given your belief that there is a hidden agenda, there likely isn't anything McHale could say to make you feel differently. That's all.
     
    1 person likes this.
  5. ed_tx

    ed_tx Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2003
    Messages:
    995
    Likes Received:
    47
    Once again, the Harden is a superstar and gets special treatment argument. Lame as the eye test one people love to use.

    Bottom line is that McHales rationale for keeping in those guys should apply to all players regardless of superstar status according to his own words...
     
  6. bws

    bws Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2013
    Messages:
    1,113
    Likes Received:
    22
    I think the Harden is a superstar and Lin isn't is a cop out rationale. Lin stepping it up and providing the energy, plays and buckets in the 4th is what it is. Lin is not along the lines of Beverley, Brooks, Casspi, Garcia or even Jones. He is a 2nd tier player along with Parsons, one of the best players on the team below the 2 superstars who has performed for the Rockets over and over in the clutch and full games backing up Harden or in Harden's absence. He should be treated like Parsons and Parsons gets his minutes because he doesn't have suitable backups where at times Bev or Brooks can get the job done.
     
  7. CCM721

    CCM721 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2012
    Messages:
    1,111
    Likes Received:
    247
    If you think Lin is anywhere near the same caliber of player as Harden then I don't know what to tell you. Doesn't matter what kind of test you use to make that distinction, Harden will come out on top every single time.

    Stars get special treatment in the NBA, you may not agree with it but it happens.
     
  8. webattorney

    webattorney Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2012
    Messages:
    813
    Likes Received:
    21
    Response

    Let's be more accurate here. Harden is arguably a super star on offense but unquestionably a scrub on defense. In crucial situations, I would be all for substituting Harden when Rockets is defending but bringing in Harden when Rockets has the ball.

     
  9. webattorney

    webattorney Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2012
    Messages:
    813
    Likes Received:
    21
    Response

    Mac is simply a bad coach when it comes to making adjustments. It would be foolish to look for a reason why Mac does this or that. For all I know, there is no reason at all why he would want to over-play Harden and Parsons. Rockets will suffer for this over-playing them in playoffs.

     
  10. JustAGuy

    JustAGuy Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2012
    Messages:
    1,464
    Likes Received:
    70
    I don't think there is much doubt that there is a hidden agenda in the sense that McHale isn't going to tell the public all the factors going into sitting a player. He clearly has some 'go to' responses to use in those cases. But why should he tell us? I'd have a problem if he didn't tell the player, but how would I ever know?

    Trying to read the tea leaves on some decisions becomes an ever expanding load of guesses piled on pet theories piled on educated guesses. Even if you are right, 99.9% of the time you'll never know you were.
     
  11. KlutchQT

    KlutchQT Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    9,156
    Likes Received:
    4,288
  12. KlutchQT

    KlutchQT Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    9,156
    Likes Received:
    4,288
    I agree with you on that point. I appreciate explanations regarding coaching decisions when they're offered, but I don't feel they are owed to me. I'd love a logical explanation from McHale as to why AB is pushed totally out of the rotation when both Lin and Bev are healthy, but I doubt I'll ever get one. I'm sure personal affinity for certain players is a factor in decision-making, but it's not something any coach is ever going to come out and say.
     
  13. kianainhi

    kianainhi Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2012
    Messages:
    867
    Likes Received:
    33
    Sorry if this was posted. I was away from this game thread since the game ended. From Tina Wang.

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/RrEJ8a6l0fI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  14. Aleron

    Aleron Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2010
    Messages:
    11,685
    Likes Received:
    1,113
    Harden is a lazy defender, not a bad defender, you substitute bad defenders, but the lazy defenders seem to be able to find themselves at crucial moments.
     
  15. Apache

    Apache Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2013
    Messages:
    413
    Likes Received:
    5
    Coaches talked: man, we cut this guy name Jeremy Lin and he went Linsanity and now he's back being our starting pg, ...we said he is no good and nobody believe us, .. annoying, lol..
     
  16. Apache

    Apache Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2013
    Messages:
    413
    Likes Received:
    5
    harden a lazy defender? so the coaches is not doing their job to get the laziness out of harden yet all this time? lol
     
  17. RRockets

    RRockets Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2013
    Messages:
    440
    Likes Received:
    13
    I cannot tell if it is Harden's lazyness or not for the fact that sometimes he is the weak(er, est ?) link of the team in terms of defense. But it is obvious that he puts more efforts on scoring than defending. SG mentality?
     
  18. SF3isBack!!

    SF3isBack!! Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2007
    Messages:
    10,163
    Likes Received:
    1,879
    Either he is injured, really tired or he's lazy. So he needs either rest and heal up or get motivated. All those things can be done by the Coach.
     
  19. Crunchyball

    Crunchyball Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2013
    Messages:
    359
    Likes Received:
    5
    Lin is the only player which sometimes benched for playing well. I say his benching is 50/50 no matter how he plays.
     
  20. Crunchyball

    Crunchyball Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2013
    Messages:
    359
    Likes Received:
    5
    kind of fun to see him bench , hahaha.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now