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ClutchFans Game Thread: Knicks @ Rockets 1/3/2014

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Jan 2, 2014.

  1. tonman

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    lol, that's all you got out of that? the justification to keep Lin on the bench is not founded by any merit except for McHale's (and HOFs) subjectivity. As a coach, he has the right to do so but as an outcome, a two point victory over a 10 win Knicks after losing to a 10 win Kings due to pretty much the same offensive scheme makes me think something is not right here and yet all you want to go on about is Harden vs. Lin.

    Harden scored 11 points to start the 3rd Quarter off 4 assists. Harden did not score another basket off an assist by a teammate. He did have one assist himself and he did get to the free throw line but most of those were ISOs also. This is why there is stagnation in the offense. As Harden's offense goes, so does the Rockets' offense. So if there's "stagnation" in the offense, don't blame Lin.
     
  2. KlutchQT

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    I'm not sure what you're referring to re: Dwight coming back into the game. I'm referring to the first game against the Grizzlies, when Dwight played about 2 minutes in Q4 and McHale said that he let Asik and the rest of the guys who were on the floor when we rallied back close out the game because they were the ones who brought us back in. Dwight did not get back into the game that night, and no one was complaining.
     
  3. ed_tx

    ed_tx Contributing Member

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    It's just funny b/c you've said numerous times that your a fan of Lin's but your posts don't back it up. That's my point.
     
  4. KlutchQT

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    Again, where does it say that AB is the reason we won the game? :confused: Also, please tell me which of those items is not factually true.

    Was AB on the floor when we closed the deficit? Yes.
    Did AB grab that last board? Yes.
    Did AB knock down both FTs? Yes.

    The real question is why you interpret me pointing out those 3 things that actually occurred as hating Jeremy. That doesn't even make any logical sense.
     
  5. KlutchQT

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    Please tell me why I'm not allowed to acknowledge AB's contributions.
     
  6. ed_tx

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    Dwight did come back into the game last night. And I was complaining about both him and Lin being on the bench while we had guys like Brooks and Garcia out there.

    Like I said earlier, if Brooks or Garcia had been playing well I would've been all good with keeping Lin and DH on the bench but both were not playing well.

    If I recall, in the Memphis game, Asik and the guys were playing well so that makes sense to keep them out on the floor.
     
  7. KlutchQT

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    OMG. How many times must I say regarding Dwight -- I. Am. Not. Referring. To. Last. Night. Geez! I am referring to the Memphis game, where McHale did not put him or anybody else back in in Q4, opting instead to allow the guys who were on the floor when we closed the deficit to finish out the game.

    Again, I have NEVER said AB played spectacularly last night or is the reason we won the game. Ever. But he was part of the group that got us back into the game -- and if McHale's philosophy is to allow the group that gets us back into the game close it out, I see no problem with him going with that. Particularly when he has done it before. And again, there was 0 outrage when it happened in Memphis. To the contrary, people were pleased that he gave those guys the opportunity.

    But I'm done. I don't expect someone who would accuse me of hating Jeremy because I said something kind about AB to try to see my POV with an open mind, so you can have it.
     
  8. tonman

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    the only way Houston will make it far in the playoffs is to have its best players on the court. and if you don't see that Lin is one of the best 5 players on this team, you don't know basketball.

    even if you play Lin as a 6th man, usually at game time situations, that 6th man is in at crunch time also. the reason you play him as 6th man like Manu is to provide offense with the 2nd unit against 2nd unit players from other teams. but you're not going to put Manu on the bench during crunch time. so Lin plays "6th man role" because he's not starting, doesn't mean he's not one of the 5 best players. how the heck do you think Harden got that big contract if he was nothing but OKC's "6th man"?

    we can call Lin the "6th man" but McHale simply sees him as a backup guard. THAT is the problem.
     
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    He is at worst the 4th best player on the team (arguably at the same value as Parsons if he is allowed to play his type of game), and yet McHale still treats him like a 6th or 7th option.

    He can be the 6th man, but until McHale gets over his bias/hatred of Lin the Rox aint going **** in the playoffs.
     
  10. larsv8

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    That is your problem, not the Rocket's problem.

    The solution is not new coaching, or less racism, or less iso ball, or what have you, it is merely you getting over it.
     
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    Not to get in the middle of things but this statement is nonsense. Maybe the racism is a stretch, your right, but the rest is nonsense.
     
  12. ed_tx

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    My bad on misinterpreting the Memphis game. But if your saying he wanted to stick with the players that got them back in the game, why didn't he keep Dwight out last night too? Also, in that game against Memphis, Casspi and Asik were playing well and were key to our coming back so it made sense to keep your starters on the bench. Last night Brooks was 1-8 and both he and Garcia were playing horrible D and just happened to be on the floor when Parsons and Harden got hot. So it doesn't make sense to keep Brooks out there. He wasn't hitting his shots and he wasn't giving us good defense. So it makes no sense to keep Lin on the bench when he was having a pretty good game. But if you don't understand that then you don't understand basketball and I'm glad you're done with this debate.
     
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    this guy was royce white's staunchest supporter here till the bitter end…..nonsense is his trademark.
     
  14. pippendagimp

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    toney douglas, pat beverley, and now aaron brooks, all inserted over lin in the 4th even when playing worse than lin in the first 3 quarters. mchale most definitely is not enamored with the services of lin. whether he is justified in his opinion is open for debate. but trying to whitewash the situation and painting it as simply circumstantial or unbiased is just being untruthful.
     
  15. Razsan

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    Reallly???? You'll blindly follow the "coaching" decisions of someone who has accomplished so little in his non-playing career? He's been given a loaded team and while the Rockets record isn't bad...could you say any of this is because of stellar game planning?
    I'd say it is the Rocket's problem because if and when Lin is traded, they'll still have the same issues.
    And as with Dragic and Lowry, Lin will flourish...
     
  16. baki

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    McHale's style is to keep a stable unit in the game that can answer whatever the other team tries to do, so if Lin was not a part of it at that time then Kevin is not going to make any changes. It's just human nature, and nothing against Lin, his ability or effectiveness in the game. However, it can also be seen as a sneaky way to undermine Lin by benching him earlier than normal so that he doesn't get to come back into the game.

    It was not Houston's best game at all and was lucky to have won.
     
  17. larsv8

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    The Lin fans here like to take their own problems and try to make them the team's problem.

    I don't like ISO ball.
    I don't like coaching.
    I don't like Harden.

    turns into

    Rockets need less iso
    Rockets need a new coach
    Rockets need to trade Harden

    Again, its not really really what the Rockets need, its what the LOFs want. They just need to get past it.
     
  18. THE DR34M

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    This team aint contending with McHale and Harden leading the way.
     
  19. larsv8

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    I don't blindly follow anything. Unlike you groupies, I don't have a hero in this, thus I don't need to have a "villain" either.

    I recognize where the team is weak and I know the way the organization will handle that. I know the avenues for improvement, and when/how these improvements will likely take place. Because of this, I don't need to come to internets after every game, bump the "Fire McHale" thread, and cry like a b**** after every loss, much less after a win, where we didn't "win the right way" (AKA Lin was the hero).

    The biggest short term improvements the team can make is too get everyone healthy. This will improve our offense and defense. The team is desperately missing Asik and Bev right now.

    Next, at the trade deadline, if they can acquire a Milsap, Lowry, Varejao or other rotational upgrade, I think they are in a good spot. If not, maybe moving Asik for some pieces to set us up for the next big trade is the right move.

    In the offseason, I might evaluate my coach and see if there is a clear cut upgrade out there. I personally would really like a guy like George Karl. I think that would be a solid upgrade for us. Outside of that, there probably isn't anyone obtainable that is an upgrade.

    So yea, its not really the Rocket's problem. These are fan problems. They need to work on those issues internally.
     
  20. Razsan

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    It's not about trading Harden,,,,but as good as he is, he falls into that trap of shooting his way out of a mess. When he's on he's incredible. I would agree with 1 and 2 though...
     

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