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Either start Lin, or bring in a new starting PG, Bev ain't cuttin' it.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OldfanofTmac, Dec 13, 2013.

  1. tonman

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    old people do... :cool:
     
  2. langal

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    Tonite proves Lin is a much better defender than Bev. If McHale would only let him shoot more, Lin could have been the hero instead of Harden.
     
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    Who cares about "2nd unit offense" to begin with? There is no true "2nd unit" on this team! This is a myth that needs to die. SO I'm gonna kill it right now.

    Rockets have a rotation, not 2 seperate units. One of Howard, Harden, Parsons, or Jones will be on the floor at all times. JLIN needs to be on the floor as often as possible to create plays and keep spacing.

    If Beverley, Brooks, Garcia, Casspi, Dmo, cannot score, well sucks to be them! Thats why they are bench players. They only need to play just enough time to keep the rotation moving and let the starters get 10-15 minutes of rest. Then they sit their ass back on the bench.
     
  4. tonman

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    that's if and only if 1) lin comes in and harden and Beverly are out and 2) if lin comes in and either harden/Beverly are in, then the ball goes to lin's hands to "run the offense".

    I don't have an issue with lin coming off the bench and playing his 32 minutes but I have noticed that lin is not running the offense when either Beverly or harden is still in. if that's the case, then there's no reason to put lin on the bench. McHale used to pull lin out at the 6 min mark so that when harden goes out, lin comes back in so either harden or lin was always in the game.

    ginobili comes in and he shoots the ball. lin comes in and becomes a spot shooter. two different things here.
     
  5. zipcrash

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    that's a management problem. ideally, he should come in and share ball handling responsibilities if harden is in (like tonight). if harden is out, lin should be the primary ball handler.

    ginobili doesn't just shoot the ball. he does create offense as well.
     
  6. zipcrash

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    and if the starters aren't having a great game?

    of course it isn't a clear cut second unit, but it's pretty clear when there is a majority of bench players on the court.

    so harden and lin start. they sit down and AB/bev come in. AB is great for a night, but not on a consistent basis (he's hit or miss). bev cant orchestrate an offense.

    sorry, id rather have lin and harden staggered because i am not confident with AB/bev running the offense.
     
  7. apollo33

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    lol@ keep the rotation moving

    you mean by being completely useless on offense and kill our momentum, opponents on go a 10-0 run beginning of fourth quarter and then our starters can't bail them out and we lose the game

    the second rotation is just as important as the first, you need someone that can put the ball in the bucket off the bench or else your starters gets too worn out.

    Did you not see the rotation with Brooks, Caspi, Garcia and Jones tonight, wt**** was that, did literally nothing on offense because they didn't have a playmaker
     
  8. Chris Jent MVP

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    But the playmakers came back in and won the game. It worked the way it was supposed to.

    The bench can have another playmaker when Asik + Bev are traded.

    There's no reason for Jeremey's game to suffer simply because other plays suck. That's their problem. Morey will fix it eventually.
     
  9. tonman

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    when ginobili comes in, his teammates look to get him the ball because as you say he not only shoots but creates offense. the issue as you alluded to is that when lin comes in, sometimes he is not asked to be the primary ball handler. then you take his best asset away from him and he becomes a spot shooter.

    if you want lin to be a force when the rotation is bringing in the 2nd team, you have to make a commitment and give lin the ball even if harden or Beverly is on the floor. it's not as if harden is not going to get the ball to score, it is just instead of ISOs he will get his shots within the offense or he can ISO if the shot clock is running down. again, it's a commitment to changing the approach when certain players are on the court. for example, with howard on the floor, you try to get him to post up. if howard is not on the floor, are you trying to funnel your offense through the post for howard's backup?
     
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    Jeremy doesn't suffer because Bev sucks at playmaking. Jeremy was relegated to the bench because McHale sincerely believes Beverley is a better player than Jeremy.

    When asked why Omer started next to Howard at the beginning of the season, McHale answered: "Because I like to start my best 5 players." It is reasonable to assume the same reasoning applies to Bev and Lin.
     
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    If you watch the game, it was when DH goes out that our defense is impacted. This is the same story as last year when Asik went out that our defense goes from top of the pack to the bottom pack. Offense wise, Garcia and Cassipi is inconsistent so far this year. We also need a big to get rebound when DH goes out.
     
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    solid game by Lin as a starter tonight. Did a great job on parker too.
     
  13. zipcrash

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    sometimes the starters can't recover.

    sometimes killing the momentum will cost you the game.

    the rockets got away with a minus bench tonight and a big reason for that is shooting 50% from 3 point land which obviously doesn't happen every night.

    i dont see how lin's game suffers if he comes off the bench AND plays 30 minutes a night. he plays around 30 minutes when starts anyways.
     
  14. tonman

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    that's because of injuries and the fact that McHale plays harden 40 mpg leaving only 56 mpg between lin and Beverly assuming he doesn't put in Garcia at SG.
     
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    i criticized lin for last game...but he played well tonight...didn't watch much of the game..but he didn't have any turnovers when i was watching and he played AMAZING defense on PARKER while scoring on em....hope he keeps it up
     
  16. ed_tx

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    Why does Lin and Harden need to come out of the game at the exact same time? Start them both. Sit Lin with a few minutes to go in the first quarter and bring in Bev. Sit Harden at the beginning of the second and bring Lin back in. Bring Harden back with 8-9 min left in the second to run with Lin again. Rest one of them towards end of the half if needed and bring Bev again. Bev never needs to be along with the second unit and Lin is the PG when he is in. Rinse and repeat for the second half.
     
  17. zipcrash

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    where did i say i want lin to be regulated to spot shooting?

    also, lin doesn't need the ball in his hands for every possession if he and harden are on the court. look how parsons and harden share ball handling responsibilities.

    if it's bev and lin, then there is no excuse for lin not to have the ball in his hands.

    again, management problem.
     
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    I know I may be ignored but I respect you for calling it straight tonight. ;)
     
  19. zipcrash

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    bev definitely shouldn't be getting over 25 minutes max.

    if the bench was better, maybe you wouldn't have to run your starters into the ground.
     
  20. zipcrash

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    I didn't say that. you don't take harden out when lin is in. you take beverly out around the middle of the quarter. parsons switches from ball handler to a shooter while lin and harden share ball handling responsibilities.

    harden goes out toward the end of the quarter/maybe a bit of the second quarter while ab or bev comes in and lin becomes the primary ball handler.
     

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