ClutchFans Game Thread: Mavericks @ Rockets 12/23/2013

Point total, shot attempts and TOs aren't the only things to look at

 

Helping the middle was most likely a call from the coaches to make DAL beat us from the 3 and get it out of Dirk's hand. I see no benefit of him consciously helping the middle on his own when he was already burned by 3's before. If he sticks to his man, he doesn't get blamed.

 

wow parsons had 4 TO? lol and everyone here is spamming about Lin's TOs...

 

It's not the number of turnovers....If you try to thread a pass to a player that would have a dunk/layup and he misses the ball, you live with that, if you jump in the air with nowhere to go and throw it to your opponent, not so much.

 

It's not as simple as a 1 TO difference, 4 in 44 minutes is different than 5 in 37.

 

One is one and it effects the game the same way.Lin hit 20 points in 37 minutes and Parsons hit 21 points in 44. If it was reversed it still adds up to 41. If the TO's were reversed it would still add up to 9.

 

Uh no. In the same way Lin was worse in turnovers he was that much more effective putting up points in less minutes.

Production, good or bad, has to be weighed against minutes played.

There is a reason stats websites show per 36 numbers. It's a way to look at production on a per minute basis.

30 points in 25 minutes is way better than 30 points in 40 minutes.

 

Ginobli was just interviewed about defense on Demarcus Cousins. He said you can't defend a good player one to one, There have to be layers of defense. That's what we are missing. Also there are many ways to help on defense such as back screens etc. Nobody has spoken about the integrated defense of the Rockets. We are too one person oriented on offense and defense. Basketball is a team sport. We are mostly isolation oriented this year. That's why our assits are way down from last year. There is much more to think about than Bev. and Lin.

 

You missed the point. I was discussing the game , not who is the better player. Their effect on the game was the same. If you want to compare players according to ability then you can use what ever equalizer you want PTs per min. or PTS for 36 or 48. However, if you want to point out who effected the game more or less the absolute numbers during the game MUST be used.

 

The effect on the game was not the same. lin's turnovers were 4 in the half with Rox still up by 7. He only had one in the 2nd half. Parsons Turnovers came mostly in the second half when we were losing. So the question one has to consider is whose turnovers were more costly?

 

Yea but if Lin wouldn't have had those 4 turnovers in the first half that could have possibly been 4 more field goal attempts making for a bigger lead. And in the NBA a 7 point lead is nothing. Hard to really justify who's turnovers are worst... It's like debating who's the prettiest girl in an ugly girl contest.

 

ok, yeah, there are also good tos and bad tos, I forgot.

 

Bottom line is that the team loss and everyone gets the blame.

 

I don't understand why people over ANALyze Lin's game. Team lost and blame is on everyone.

As for the above quote, you may as well say if everyone made their shots and played their perfect game, we would have the best record in the nba at 29-0

 

why cant we ever beat the mavs?Its very depressing.

 

Lin had stretches where he out and out stunk, especially guarding the 3 point shooters.

Once again, to place all or majority of the blame on him is just misguided and really dumb. It is taking a multifaceted problem and simplifying it to trash a certain player.

Anyone who thinks one moment or one player is why this game was lost is misguided. There were missed passes to Howard which cost us points, everyone turned the ball over etc.

 

I watched the entire game. I'll admit I was mistaken about the timing of what happened, but the sentiment is the same: we cut the lead to 7 with 10min left, then back-to-back 3s with Lin standing in no man's land put the lead back up to 13 with 9min left.

Players consistently making poor decisions is both a reflection of the player AND the coach. I agree the players deserve the bulk of the blame, but is it not the coaches' responsibilities to make sure they play fundamentally sound basketball? Also, is it not the coaches' responsibilities to make in-game adjustments to remedy defensive philosophies that aren't working (aka switching off Dirk)?

 

That is all he needed. It would have been better to share the Dirk duties so he has to play different guys.

 

When you get outscored 15-0 to start the second half, just inexcusable.

 

From Tina Wang. Sorry if this was already posted.

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