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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Dec 22, 2013.

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When you rely HEAVILY on two vet minimum guys to contribute consistently on a night in/night out basis, you're gonna have a bad time. Garcia and Casspi have been consistently inconsistent all year, and it is causing our team to falter at the most inopportune times. Garcia thrived last season when he wasn't being called upon to do too much in a game (outside of guarding Durant). However, given our lack of depth and the injury bug, he's been thrust into a role in which he doesn't seem comfortable. That needs to change if he's going to get back to being effective. As far as Casspi goes, he just needs to be told to stop dominating the ball so much when he gets it in his hands. His job is to either shoot, or pass. If he has an open lane to the basket, I don't mind him driving, but it's when he forces the issue that bad things happen. He doesn't have the decision-making to be a ball-dominant player, and it's hurting the team when he's on the floor. Either way, these 2 guys are being called upon to do WAY too much right now, and until that changes, I see the team's performance being as up and down as their's.

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Rewatched the game. TJones is the problem. His defense is terrible for a PF. If he's not scoring above 20 pts, then it's not counteracting the guy he's defending scoring 30 pts.

#1562 hamsession, Dec 24, 2013
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Fyreball said: ↑

When you rely HEAVILY on two vet minimum guys to contribute consistently on a night in/night out basis, you're gonna have a bad time. Garcia and Casspi have been consistently inconsistent all year, and it is causing our team to falter at the most inopportune times. Garcia thrived last season when he wasn't being called upon to do too much in a game (outside of guarding Durant). However, given our lack of depth and the injury bug, he's been thrust into a role in which he doesn't seem comfortable. That needs to change if he's going to get back to being effective. As far as Casspi goes, he just needs to be told to stop dominating the ball so much when he gets it in his hands. His job is to either shoot, or pass. If he has an open lane to the basket, I don't mind him driving, but it's when he forces the issue that bad things happen. He doesn't have the decision-making to be a ball-dominant player, and it's hurting the team when he's on the floor. Either way, these 2 guys are being called upon to do WAY too much right now, and until that changes, I see the team's performance being as up and down as their's.
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agree with what you said about Garcia and Casspi.

#1563 ccrystal99, Dec 24, 2013
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^^ Ditto. Both Casspi and Garcia have been playing outside of themselves a lot lately (generally to less than positive results).

#1564 KlutchQT, Dec 24, 2013
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P.S. -- I miss Delfino.

#1565 KlutchQT, Dec 24, 2013
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My quick takeaways after watching the games:

1. Dwight looked a lot better in the post. In the beginning of the year, he looked like a turnover waiting to happening in the post with no idea what to do. He seems confident now. Still, how does Dwight have no blocks?

2. Lin looked like a sleepy zombie out there with a couple awful turnovers. If you look at CP3 or Nash, they look alert and in charge. Lin had that look during his Linsanity days but now he looks tentative. Some of that is rust but it would help if McHale told him he was in charge. Right now, he passes at the top of the key instead of looking to create/PNR/whatever.

3. Casspi needs to camp out at the three point line and not move. Instead, he tries to handle the ball too much. He's a blackhole.

4. Garcia -- pretty useless.

5. Why were Garcia and Lin guarding Nowitzki one-on-one in the 4th quarter? I would have put in DMO and told him to not fall for any of Dirk's pump fakes.

6. Overall, more than any individual turnovers or mistakes, there's a lack of direction and unity on the team (offense and defense). Some of it is due to people not gelling because of constant injuries but IMO, Dwight needs to be the defensive anchor and set the tone that there will be no easy baskets. On offense, I would prefer that McHale instruct Lin to be the driver who has the ball in his hands 80% of the time instead of the current version where everyone, from Parson to Casspi, gets to play PG.
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Agree with most of this but DMo would still have fouled out in 5 minutes or less.

#1566 ryebread, Dec 24, 2013
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So Asik is gone?

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No need to be so defensive. He is far from the only one who gives inconsistent effort on D, as I noted.
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I'm not being defensive, just refuting the inaccurate statement you made.

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Damn, it's so painful to read through all this crap directing the loss to Lin and him only? Sure, every FTs, assists, TOs, steals, and points count....but what do you expect Lin to do? Look Garcia played 35 minutes and Casspi played 18 points and the Rockets loss by just 7 points....just 4 baskets between the two of them and this would have been a different ball game. And what about Lin's 5 TOs? Well, their total 17 TOs is a bit under their season average of 17.3 TOs......some people are just so focused on one player's TOs that they forget about the other 12 TOs.
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It seems like everyone is blaming Lin only because THAT IS ALL YOU CARE ABOUT.

Read back thru the thread, even the posts that dont mention Lin, and tell me that every single player on this team that played didnt get blasted for their play.

This is why I dont take most of yalls accusations of trolling seriously....

#1570 Rockets2K, Dec 24, 2013
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Exel said: ↑

I'm not being defensive, just refuting the inaccurate statement you made.
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LOL. Okay, you're right. Everyone could stand to work on defensive effort except for Lin.

#1571 KlutchQT, Dec 24, 2013
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Exel said: ↑

Sure if you called Lin being picked, standing idly by, then I guess he was.
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Right, Calderon got screen after screen after screen and he didn't "blow by" Lin. Lin's defensive issue was overhelping and having Calderon open for 3 a few times, not being blown by. He didn't stand by idly. Bad decisions and out of position or not, he put in effort on D.

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LOL. Okay, you're right. Everyone could stand to work on defensive effort except for Lin.
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There's no LOL. You were wrong. You could point out different issues with Lin's defense but that standing around idly didn't happen. And except for Lin? Where did anyone say that?

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There's no LOL. You were wrong. You could point out different issues with Lin's defense but that standing around idly didn't happen. And except for Lin? Where did anyone say that?
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I was at the game and watched him stand idly by while Jose went right by him on one possession. Multiple other people seated in my section pointed it out as well, so I guess we are all wrong. *shrug* I'm not interested in arguing with you though, so you can have it.

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KlutchQT said: ↑

LOL. Okay, you're right. Everyone could stand to work on defensive effort except for Lin.
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bws said: ↑

There's no LOL. You were wrong. You could point out different issues with Lin's defense but that standing around idly didn't happen. And except for Lin? Where did anyone say that?
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Exactly as bows said. You made a comment how Calderon blew by Lin with Lin "standing idly by." I refuted that as it didn't happen in the game and all of sudden you infer that I was saying that Lin doesn't have to work on defensive effort.

I'm confused, I must have missed something.

#1575 Exel, Dec 24, 2013
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muas2010 said: ↑

Damn, it's so painful to read through all this crap directing the loss to Lin and him only? Sure, every FTs, assists, TOs, steals, and points count....but what do you expect Lin to do? Look Garcia played 35 minutes and Casspi played 18 points and the Rockets loss by just 7 points....just 4 baskets between the two of them and this would have been a different ball game. And what about Lin's 5 TOs? Well, their total 17 TOs is a bit under their season average of 17.3 TOs......some people are just so focused on one player's TOs that they forget about the other 12 TOs.
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Painful? LOL go take your meds. These are just forum post by random people stop being sensitive

#1576 chandlerbang21, Dec 24, 2013
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And Calderon blew right by him a few times, while Lin stood idly by -- much the same way Harden does a lot of the time on defense. The team overall still needs to step it up on defensive effort. Collectively.
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I was at the game and watched him stand idly by while Jose went right by him on one possession. Multiple other people seated in my section pointed it out as well, so I guess we are all wrong. *shrug* I'm not interested in arguing with you though, so you can have it.
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KlutchQT said: ↑

I was at the game and watched him stand idly by while Jose went right by him on one possession. Multiple other people seated in my section pointed it out as well, so I guess we are all wrong. *shrug* I'm not interested in arguing with you though, so you can have it.
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Yeah, ONE possession where Jose gets by him defines him as a bad defender. And btw. Jose gets by a lot of defenders because he's a top 3-point shooter, and they have to close out on him.

#1578 Benchwarmer, Dec 24, 2013

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meh. Rox dominated the last game vs Mavs for like 3 quarters, then ended up losing. Can they do better this game? Doubt it.

if Rox learned anything from last game, they'll continue feeding Dwight in the post.
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This time they lasted 2 quarters.

#1579 SLRokJok, Dec 24, 2013
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Terry Teagle said: ↑

My quick takeaways after watching the games:

1. Dwight looked a lot better in the post. In the beginning of the year, he looked like a turnover waiting to happening in the post with no idea what to do. He seems confident now. Still, how does Dwight have no blocks?

2. Lin looked like a sleepy zombie out there with a couple awful turnovers. If you look at CP3 or Nash, they look alert and in charge. Lin had that look during his Linsanity days but now he looks tentative. Some of that is rust but it would help if McHale told him he was in charge. Right now, he passes at the top of the key instead of looking to create/PNR/whatever.

3. Casspi needs to camp out at the three point line and not move. Instead, he tries to handle the ball too much. He's a blackhole.

4. Garcia -- pretty useless.

5. Why were Garcia and Lin guarding Nowitzki one-on-one in the 4th quarter? I would have put in DMO and told him to not fall for any of Dirk's pump fakes.

6. Overall, more than any individual turnovers or mistakes, there's a lack of direction and unity on the team (offense and defense). Some of it is due to people not gelling because of constant injuries but IMO, Dwight needs to be the defensive anchor and set the tone that there will be no easy baskets. On offense, I would prefer that McHale instruct Lin to be the driver who has the ball in his hands 80% of the time instead of the current version where everyone, from Parson to Casspi, gets to play PG.
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6. Put ball 80% of the time in Lin's hands: the thing is McHale does not trust Lin, and Lin is not on Rockets' long term plan.

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