Either start Lin, or bring in a new starting PG, Bev ain't cuttin' it.

thanks for the insightful posts. because of you i will never have any respect for any lin supporter ever again.

 

Whatever his reputation, his posts about true fans and fake fans and 99ers etc. smack of entitlement and a false sense of superiority. They are also just plain bad manners to be dismissive of other people lack that.

He is getting the response his posts merit. Just as players should get the response their play merits.

On topic, it seems like people require all star/superstar level play from Lin in every game to say that he has had a good game.

You can't be surprised when others point out the blatant double standards.

 

I'm guessing that if you are going to generalise everyone based on one poster then this was always going to be the result.

Should people have similar opinions about 'true rockets fans' based on a few obnoxious posters as well?

Should people have a negative opinion of you based on what someone else who claims to belong to the same group of fandom as you has posted?

 

Sorry, respect is earned, not given. You might claim he has some sort of "old school street cred" when it comes to these message boards, but: a) seriously? it's an internet message board, and b) I wonder where all the "respect" comes from because the only things I associate with him are divisive, prejudicial posts that only serve to lower the level of discourse around these parts.

Maybe if you guys focused less on who was doing the posting and more on what was actually being posted, you would be less miserable. As far as I can tell, 90% of the misery of the so-called "real Rockets fans" is of the self-inflicted persecution-complex variety, where everyone is the "enemy" and imaginary LOFs leap out from every dark shadow on their nightmares.

The really sad part is that in their desperate attempts to maintain an "us vs. them" mentality, they end up agreeing with morons and disagreeing with anyone who might show some semblance of common-sense or an open mind.

 

Tinman....A respected poster? If that means someone who posts the same inflammatory bs all the time, didn't even know the history of our Rocket team, and is full of **** more often than not, then....sure I guess.

 

Wish we had won the freaking game now this thread is filled with trolling

 

Wtf? A, Lord of the Rings, smackdown? And on smeegol of all people. You sir have earned a well deserved pat on the back.

 

Last night's game is the perfect example of how some posters on this site can be so irrational.

So Lin goes 6-10 including 1-2 from 3s and gets to the line 10 times and hits 7 free throws for a high efficient 20 pts with TS% over 60%. Yes he only has 2 assists and had 5 turnovers. It was his first game effectively in over a month, and he played 36 minutes. It wasn't an impressive game, but it was a pretty decent game.

What were the comments?

Trade Lin. He's a scrub. Now you see why we need Bev. We need Harden ASAP. Just play Bev and Brooks. Lol at LOFs thinking Lin could play well.

I'm like, huh? Really?

So here's the 'supposed' LOF replies. Well, it wasn't a great overall performance by Lin, but given the rust, he did pretty well. Even the Mavericks assistant at half time said they needed to control Lin's penetration as he was wreaking havoc. And they put Crowder on Lin in the second half, actually made an adjustment for Lin.

But here's where it gets comedic, as it often does on this site.

When people point out, Harden averages 4 TOs per game and Lin's TOs isn't statistically much deviant from Harden's, it becomes "Harden hater". When people point out Calderon only scored 15 which was around his average over the last half dozen games, Calderon had 5 fouls, and Beverley hasn't exactly been consistent on defense and a lot of PGs went off on Beverley also, it's "Beverley hater". When people point out Parsons and Dwight both had 4 TOs in the second half and that's actually the half where we lost the game, not in the first half when Lin had 4 TOs, it becomes "****, LOFs hate on all Rockets players". Now we can also mentioned when Beverley came back from injury, the first game he started he went 1-10. "**** LOFs, hate on Beverley all the time". Now we could also mention Calderon shooting 50% or more from 3s for the last 4 games before the Rockets game including 7-10 against Toronto (Lowry, better not go there), and that the guy has shot 49% in November and December from 3s and about 2.9 three point shots made per game, including 3-5 against the Rockets last game when Beverley started but 0-3 from 3 pt and 0-8 overall for 0 points in the Rockets-Dallas first matchup of the season when Beverley was out injured and Lin played most of the time on Calderon, so what Calderon did tonight was on par with what he's done in two months and he also did the same if not better on Beverley (3-5 from 3s vs 3-7 from 3s last night) and Lin totally got the better of him the first time around, these same posters would be like "who gives a **** about facts, you're not true Rocket fans".

Then some posters would say hey, Lin's two assists are on par with Beverley's average, and if you really want to compare, Beverley hasn't even scored 20 points one game this season and Lin just did it, it'll be "****ing hating on Rockets team again".

The posters would then come back and say, look Lin doesn't help you win games. We need Harden and Beverley back ASAP. The supposed 'LOFs' then would say when Garcia and Cassipi play this bad, and Jones couldn't guard Nowitzki all game, it's tough to win. Then these posters would be like "**** LOFs, hating on all the Rockets now, not just perimeter players".

And the whole comedy was, Lin actually played a fine game with a whole month of rust and injury to shake off. And all the 'supposed' LOFs did was just laid out the facts and compared Lin's play/stats with what passes for having played fine or not the reason of our loss with other Rockets players. And these same posters keep going beserk at LOFs hating on all Rockets players when all they do is hate on one player to such extremes without any respect for the game of basketball that was actually played that it is laughable.

And then to top this off, Tinman would come in with a stinky tofu joke and say "true Rockets fans are true Rockets fans because they are true Rockets fans, therefore **** off LOFs".

 

Thank you for saying this

 

Lin had a decent offensive game, but his defense was pretty bad. Granted, the whole team was bad during transition, our perimeter defense was particular bad. Lin was just off beat, sometimes didn't know where to go, but I find it understandable since he just got back.

In terms of TOs, it was really bad. He got lucky a few times that the Mavs bailed him out, otherwise the TOs would be higher. His TOs are mostly from driving in. It's very similar to Harden's. The difference is Lin tries to pass, where Harden tries to draw a foul. His tempo and rhythm was off, but last night's loss shouldn't be on him. It was the whole team defense, especially in transition was terrible. And they had problems with Mav's PnRs, kept on switching. Coaching staff was to be blamed.

 

Now this was a post even real LOFs would have no problems with. Very fair. 5 TOs is 5 TOs, and nobody said Lin played a great defensive game. It was his first game in effectively a month with successive injuries.

What I hate is that these posters will **** on anything Lin does and if ever somebody says well Harden has more TOs or Beverley hasn't exactly been a stellar guard defensively and doesn't give much on offense, then these posters become Rockets haters.

The same posters dishing all the **** are the one crying foul if anybody replies and says hey let's use the same standards on other Rockets players. They cry "Rockets hater, LOFs" and justify all the **** the post here as "I'm true Rockets fan, look at my join date of June 2010".

 

Lin had the same problem in NY helping off his man and sometimes even losing sight of where they are. It's a terrible habit he relapses to sometimes.

Encouraging offensive game. He is rusty and coming off injury. This is fact.

The good thing is that a lot of the key players on the team will have low mileage come playoff time.

 

I think people are irrational about Lin. I think he did fine on his first game after injury. I think he would be so happy is both his supporters and haters just shut up, but of course, that will never happen. I was sad that Rockets lost last night. God Bless him and Rockets. Hope they are all healthy, and win on Christmas day.

 

I hope he saw this comment:grin:

 

If your join date wasn't 2003, Tinman will tell you that this is a Rockets site, not a Knicks site.

He might do it anyway ...

 

Lin should be starting against the Spurs...no reason to have Brooks starting Wednesday.

 

Check the thread title

 

Ty. Would rep if I could, this pretty much sums up everything and the r****ded irrational responses of most people. They just look at the stats and the W-L and attribute to only negative aspects of Lin's games. lawl. Thanks EnergyGuy.

 

Some of you really get worked up over the fact that Rockets fans support Beverley, don't you? LOL.

 

A common theme about Lin's defense last night was that he lost his man, particularly in these three situations:

2nd quarter 5:58 mark. Jose hit a wing three. Vince beat Garcia on a penetration from the wing to the middle. Jeremy rotated to stop penetration at the free throw line. Vince passed it to Jose for the three. Granted, Lin was 1-2 steps deeper then he should have been on his help, but he did try to contest Jose's 3 and did not lose his man here.

3rd quarter 10:11 mark. Jose hit another three from the wing. Monta beat Parsons on high pick roll. Lin went in to collapse. Monta jumped in the air and passed it to Jose who hit the three. Maybe Lin shouldn't have collapsed, but Parsons gave up on the play and didn't even try to recover.

4th quarter 9:37 mark. Monta hits corner three. Dirk receives ball in high post, guarded by Brooks and Parsons goes to double him, rightfully so. Dirk passes to Crowder, who blows by Parsons trying to recover. Jones rotates to stop Crowder. Lin rotates to cover Wright, who was Jones' man. Crowder fumbles the ball in the lane and passes to Monta in the corner. Even with Crowder fumbling the ball, Parsons gives up. If he dives down and tries to recover, Crowder wouldn't be able to make that corner pass to Ellis. Lin still tried to contest Ellis' three.

A lot people made comments after these event on this was Lin's mistake on defense and how he lost his man again. But what is Lin supposed to do? He helped, but no one helped him. It seems like the defensive concept of help the helper is lost on this Rocket's team.