Rockets Players' Advanced Statistics: You'll be surprised...

I was actually at the game (I live close to Detroit), and I thought Casspi played very well, especially in making the right passes (hence his 7 assists tonight, career high if I'm not mistaken). What was he getting hate for?

 

I don't understand.

Read the game thread, it amazing that when he has stats like this, some of the users wants him out of the team, and posting how useless he is!!!

I think that they are expecting Kevin love to replace home for the minimum.
we won the game
casspi played great, just like you saw.
that's what really matters.

 

Could Casspi's defensive rating be inflated because he is not guarding the opposing teams good players?

 

It's not really hating on Casspi. I think he is a great addition to the team at the price we are getting. He outplays his min contract value.

It's his only fans who post data, which they don't fully understand, and prop him out to be a player he is NOT.

Can you imagine on a Heat forum, Norris Cole only fans making a thread and post ratings by saying people often mistakenly labeled Cole as a bad defender when in fact his DefRtg is one of the best on his team??

 

Maybe. There are too many factors that go into this to be able to know exactly what it means. But one thing that these stats show is that for whatever reason, lineups that include Casspi in them are better defensively than other lineups.

As to Casspi's actual role in making these lineups good defensively, the one thing I can say about him as far as my own eye test goes, he seems to make pretty good off-ball decisions on both offense and defense. He makes good cuts towards the basket and sets off-ball screens to allow other players to cut. On the defensive end, he does have his lapses, but overall he seems to have good awareness of where he should be rotating to (and when you make the rotation quickly, it's easier for your teammate to follow suit).

Obviously, he is not a lockdown on-ball defender, and those who try to paint it as though the OP was arguing that Casspi is the best defender on the team are really using a strawman argument. The way I understood it, the OP was just making the case that if the most effective defensive lineups include Casspi, then he must be doing something right.

 

Im a tj fan and all but he is like the 4th option for a reason.

 

It's natural for fans of a player to try to find the positives in his game. If you go on forums like realgm you will see arguments from Detroit fans that Jennings is the second coming, almost weekly debates over Rondo with both sides bringing raw stats to the table to show that he is either the worst PG in the league or the second coming of Magic Johnson (I am from the latter camp, tbh), and there is the one guy that keeps trying to convince everyone that Tyreke Evans is the next LeBron. Fans are biased by their very nature.

As a COF myself (I root for every Rocket whether or not Casspi is on the court, but I never tried to conceal the fact that I am here because of Casspi), I may be biased, but I think the COF population on this forum is very mild compared to other player-fans. We think he is happy with his current role on this team, and therefore we are happy with it as well. As I mentioned in my post above, I really don't think the OP was arguing that Casspi is the Rockets' best defender. He was just raising the possibility that he may not be as bad as some people are claiming, and that his defensive contribution might be better than advertised.

 

Proof that adv stats are bullsht.

 

CASSPI SHOULD START INSTEAD OF T-JONES.

HE IS THE ROCKETS 3RD BEST PLAYER.

ISRAEL 4 THE WIN.

 

No Jabberwock, I did NOT miss anything. This is the post I specifically quoted:

There is nothing there you were implying that "Casspi is NOT AT ALL outstanding 1 on 1 defender."

I have nothing against your original post. You posted the data without much comment and left for everyone's interpretation. That's fine!

jtr already explained, in an indirect way, that the data are RAW but you somehow ignored that. It was when you make a statement (as bolded above), that you show your ignorant about the ratings, especially the last part:

We don't even need to wait for the sample size to grow. Now explain to me why Mario Chalmer, after a full season, had a better NetRtg than LeBron last year?

Norris Cole, who is a rotational player and considered one of the worst defenders from Heat, has a better DefRtg than LeBron?

 

advanced crap

 

Get over it. Your butt was kicked so bad that you better give it more time to heal.

 

those advance stats aren't advanced enough

 

Moneyball...

When I've read those replies which call advanced stats "crap" it reminded me about this movie Moneyball... It's about baseball, and we're not playing hmm... much baseball here in Israel (actually not at all) so I didn't understand none of professional details mentioned there.
But general outline is much like in this thread: scouts ('old-timers") are speaking about "does this guy move like good baseball player?" or "could he became allstar in several years?" (I don't remember exact words but something like that) while GM and his stats specialist want to brings up cheap players which would answer the team immediate needs. And they're doing it mostly looking at "crap" like advanced stats (including for example, signing player which wasn't used correctly according to their estimation - and should play other position, etc...)
Can it be that improvement from Casspi, Garcia, Delfino, for some extent from Brooks and Asik (I mean last year, not this...) is because Morey is doing something like this?
Yes, I know Omri is not moving much "like good basketball player" - his steps sometimes looks a bit awkward (I feel he never get 100% comfortable with bigger muscles he developed after two first NBA years) and his shot while quick on release and automatic is not pretty - low release with some unnecessary motion (actually Casspi wasn't much of shooter back in Israel, he developed those skills just before NBA rookie season), but does those things prevent Omri from doing good job? I think not...

 

OP implying trade Dwright?

 

Omri Casspi could of played in the nba when he was 17. He was that talented. For some reason he struggled so far. I think it may be hormones and not eating the right stuff to manage them beef tar tar, sushi, raw egg that his causes mental lapses.

 

This actually proves nothing.