Rockets and Nets talked last week about Asik and Lin (12/21/2013)

Since we're talking head to head matchups, lets talk about what happened during their head to head matchups.

Lin played Deron straight up. He was not getting double teamed during their matchups.

And I don't buy the notion that Deron gets double teamed on a consistent basis. Not even Harden is getting doubled on a consistent basis, and Harden is a better offensive player than Deron.

 

Primary, secondary, tertiary all matter. Yes, Harden may be primary but Lin is also a force that defenses pay attention to like Miami and the Mavs. They scout Lin and try to take things away but some weaknesses like going left aren't there anymore and when his shots fall he's tough to deal with. Parsons is another headache. Teams may have a primary guy, but he's not the only one that can hurt you that you have to make a defensive plan for or have your better defenders defend. On the Rockets Harden, Dwight, Lin and Parsons can all burn you.

 

I also saw stats from a while back that showed Lin having LOWER percentages across the board playing with Harden. There is no evidence that having Harden helps Lin.

Those numbers also showed that Harden had HIGHER percentages across the board playing with Lin. So who is helping who?

(Those numbers were from last season by some poster named TTNN - or something like that. I don't have search privileges so I can't really dig those up.)

 

I saw the numbers. Harden seemed to play more efficiently with Lin. It was a fit argument and stats to support Lin can fit with Harden. All I know is Harden and Lin had some incredible games together last season and it takes time to mesh two guys that have some similar skills but go about their game differently. Stagger their minutes, have Lin come off the bench and help the second unit, however it is done, Lin should be an integral part of the team as one of its big contributors. He's played great this season pre-injury save a few dud games. There was supposed to be the dynamic back court of Harden and Lin and then Dwinsanity but Twin Towers happened and Lin as 6th man or off the bench happened. For a few weeks Lin will play in the starting lineup if both he and Harden can stay healthy and let's hope that his skills are exploited for the sake of a most potent team we can field with an important player missing in Bev.

 

I hope this trade goes through

 

Personally I think Deron Williams is an option that may become feasible at some point. I also think it would be a great 3rd wheel.

Asik+Lin+Motiejunas+1st rounder right now for Williams+Terry is fine with me. They can even have the rights to Llull and a 2nd rounder if it makes them feel better.

Howard/Smith
Jones/Casspi
Parsons/Garcia
Harden/Terry
Williams/Beverly

 

Deron William will get 25% increment of salary if he gets traded as stated by his contract. Do we really want to pay for an injury prone guard that kind of money?

 

Morey might get Dwill just to troll Cuban... lol.

Then we can flip him for Dirk and 3 first round picks.

 

Terry on the Rockets?

Spoiler

 

I never said Deron Williams was light years better. I just pointed out that saying that Lin consistently outperformed Williams was incorrect...which you just agreed with.

If your point was to say that Williams wasn't "light years" better than Lin than you probably should have replied to the person that made that statement rather than to me.

 

KG would be the perfect fit next to Howard. I imagine if Morey was inclined it would be for the big ticket.

Put lin in the starting lineup and let Brooks backup.

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KG is waisting his time in BX , get it done Morey.

 

I'm curious with Lopez out if there's any trade with the Nets that's feasible. Teletovic is an excellent stretch 4 but supposedly Novak-like on D. Plumlee must be included as their "1st round pick" to give us. Then who else? Kirilenko or Terry has to be included at least for salary purposes. Would you take AK47, Plumlee, and Teletovic?

DWill is a pointless discussion. Only two scenarios are possible. One is that his injuries are not a concern. If so, the Nets aren't trading him for Asik and Lin. Not even close to happening regardless of how fans here feel about him vs. Lin The other scenario is that his injuries are troubleseome, in which case Morey is certainly not going to risk that contract for the next 3+ years.

 

Most every team sends help on James Harden. Usually they wait till he puts the ball on the floor and then rotates one or two men over to help.

What teams seem to be doing this season is playing a bigger player on Harden and having him play him as tight as possible to take away the 3 ball. With the defender playing that close Harden can go by him but there's typically one or two bigs rotated into the lane waiting for Harden's drive.

Howard gets the same treatment most games. When he catches the call in the paint teams will double and that means that somebody will be open. Very few teams will try to play him straight up as Detroit did.

A perfect example is this quote from Toronto coach Dwayne Casey talking about Torontos defense after Lin scored 31 against the Raptors earlier this season:

Defensively we did as good a job as we could on (James) Harden. We knew we had to give up something and it was Jeremy Lin

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/11/11/pesky-raps-take-rockets-to-double-ot-before-losing

Toronto's focus was on trying to stop Harden and that help causes someone to be open. In this particular case it was Lin. Harden gets the other team's best perimeter defender most every game and he's the guy (along with Howard) that teams are setup to stop.

 

Yeah, with their record, the performance of their aging roster this season and now with Lopez' injury you would think that the Nets would be trying to cut some salary and reduce their costs but it seems that it's just the opposite. It's being reported that the Nets are going to apply for an injury exception for Lopez so they'd actually be adding more salary and luxury tax.

I don't think that they'll trade D-Will because that would be like giving up in their management/ownership's eyes. The money isn't a big deal to them so it looks like they are going to continue on as if everything was ok.

 

While it can be true, my observations tell me that Lin has been commanding attention from the opposing defense since last year after the all star break. Probably because he has started shooting lights out when left open. This benefits Harden as well since he is less likely to be doubled when Lin is such a threat.

But hey, it is a bad "fit" right?

 

Dwill is injury prone and his contract is a big no no for teams that aren't owned by shady russian billionaires. No way murray ever does this.

 

Deron Williams would be a downgrade.

 

Another injury prone guard? And with a three yr contract that's maxed out to boot. No Ty give me cp3

 

Deron Williams talent wise is a very good player. Considering the fact he's always hurt, plays hard when he wants to, and doesn't really make players around him better I think I'd pass. The Nets are just waiting for a sucker to take on that contract. If I knew I was getting a healthy and motivated D-Will I might think about it.

 

no ty... cp3 is a loser who will never make it in the playoffs..hes only good for rs games....