Rockets and Nets talked last week about Asik and Lin (12/21/2013)

Yep. DW (Darkwing Duck) had 38 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists, and 1 steal while Lin had 21 points, 7 rebounds, 9 assists, and 4 steals. No doubt, Lin was destroyed. How pathetic! Making a 6 figure salary back then, too. Overpaid! He now has a 106 ranking on ESPN?! Overrated! DW is ranked 20 by experts at ESPN! You can't get more definitive and unbiased than that. Make the trade, Morey!

 

Didn't hear of this involving Williams, thought that involved Rondo, who is considerably cheaper, and in my opinion, a better point guard than Williams.

Again, Rondo is considerably cheaper and a better point guard, but if you're talking about the Knicks, they wouldn't have the assets to get Williams unless they traded Melo.

I think Ainge can easily find cheaper options if that's the case.

 

I don't think Williams is that much better than Lin, but yes Lin was destroyed in that game.

It's nothing to be ashamed of, Williams WAS a great player, and Lin has more than held his own.

 

Who's team won the game doesn't reflect on a one on one matchup. If it did then we could assume that Terrance Jones is better than Kevin Love because we beat them in our only matchup this year. Is Mario Chalmers the best PG in the NBA since his team has back-to-back titles? Kevin Durant was the 2nd best player in the league last year but his team lost in the playoffs to Memphis. That doesn't mean that Teshawn Prince is better than him.

 

I agree with this to a point.

Here is something else. Who was defending Lin when he was scoring and who was defending Williams when he was scoring. If you are scoring against the bench, that doesn't mean you are really winning the head to head match up, does it?

 

That analogy is a little off. We're not talking about who's a better player. We're talking about head to head matchups on a per game basis. The outcome of the game does matter here, even though it's not the only factor.

 

Are you attempting to make the case that the trade market for Deron Williams is low and will stay low?

If so, we'll just have to disagree on that one.

 

It may not be low, but it's very narrow. Compare that to Rondo who was in his fair share of trade rumors this past week.

 

Ummmm Rondo is in his fair share of trade rumors because the jury has been and is still out on whether the Celts keep him or trade him.

If the news gets out that the Nets may break it up and move Deron the trade rumors will run WILD.

 

Deron Williams wouldn't solve any of our problems. He's a ball-dominant scoring PG with entitlement (not that he has a cancerous personality...but a player who has been a perennial all-star usually comes with entitlement). What we need is wing defense, interior depth, health and time (to develop).

Acquiring him would be acquiring big name for the sake of getting a big name ("that Harden-Dwight-Deron trio!"). He's not the player he used to be, and probably not even close. He has flashes of his old brilliance from time to time, but with his contract ($80 mil over the next 4), his dip in play/consistency, and his recent injury issues, he shouldn't even be an option for us.

 

Exactly what I see from him when I watch the Nets. You have to see these guys day in and out and not just look at stats and highlights. And I do think he has a lousy character and baggage. He's D is not great either.

 

Maybe that sense of entitlement is what can counter Harden's ball-hogging ways. Howard and Williams will team up against Harden to force him to give up the ball to Williams. Howard can't seem to counter Harden's ways on his own. I think it can work. Lin back to NY. Win-win for all.

 

I'd give the edge to Williams, but it's not like he blew Lin out, he also shot more than Lin.

The first game with Wall, Lin clearly outperformed Wall. Look at their shooting percentages, assists, rebounds, and usage. Sure, Wall scored 6 more points, but also took 8 more shots than Lin. The second game obviously goes to Wall, Lin played like dog**** while Wall was mediocre overall and stellar with the assists.

 

I was at the 2nd Wsh game. that was the game where Lin was sick as a dog- looked like he was going to toss his cookies on the bench

 

Only for the untrained eyes would one dictate that Lin was destroyed.

Williams with 38 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists, and 1 steal
Lin had 21 points, 7 rebounds, 9 assists, and 4 steals

Do the theoretical math (based on 2 points) and Lin would still come up ahead one point. One must look at the overall scope of the game to clearly define what destroyed was.....it's not purely on points. If player A had 20 points but 0 assists and player B had 10 points and 10 assists, who made the bigger impact?

 

Ok, but the whole point of that post was to present fact to counter the statements that Lin had continually outperformed Williams. That simply isn't true.

 

Not necessarily. In our game with Minnesota Terrance Jones was matched up with Kevin Love. Does the fact that Houston won (even though Love had better stats) mean that Jones is better than Love or that he won that head to head matchup?

That's the situation. Williams had the better performance but his team lost. That doesn't mean that he got out performed. It just means that Lin's team played better that game.

 

That's a Lin line that can be recreated in the right circumstances for a streak of games if the Rockets would just let the guy play his game and not have him play on eggshells. Around 20 points, 6-10 assists, 2 or more steals, and not needed now but he can get 4-6 mostly defensive rebounds in about 34 minutes of game time. But it is when he gets the points and how he finds the right team mate that tells more the story than just the numbers. He said he's back tomorrow and he'll probably be out of sync. But hopefully, after 3 or 4 games, he'll regain his confidence and play up to the level of earlier in the season when he was on a roll, 3 falling or not.

 

I agree. It's also a factor that Williams is the primary focus of opposing defenses and Lin isn't. Williams is getting the double teams which makes it more difficult for him while Lin can benefit from teams focusing their attention on Harden which provides opportunities for Lin.

 

He didnt' outperform D Will. But D Will wasn't light years better or Lin totally outclassed by D Will while Lin had good games against D Will, one great game and one bad one. The only one light years better was Rondo in his game and CP3 has schooled Lin also. But that's part of a young player learning, Rondo had plenty of schoolings as well that I remember early in his career as a PG.