1 am one of the people in this site that has been wondering why Hakeem has taken this disrespect by the rockets for so long. I recall many of us in this bbs not long ago yapping about >"dream dont care, he aint got the fire nor desire no more, he aint taking control nor aint affected by wins or loses". Now that we see the brother is affected by loses and is talking about them Jeff and his gang all gang up against him and say he dont got no respect for the org. for saying that. He should be thankful to the organization for keeping him here and such. What yall do not know is that no organization is going to have the audacity to pay a pLayer millions oF dollars and not trade him if he is not benificail to them. This aint no communist organization. Loyality is only based upon today and not tomorrow, what you produce, so dont tell me that dream ought to be thankful for what the rockets have given him all those years after having underpaid him and riducled him, and yet we forget what dream has given the organization and the city of houston including us here in this forum. Tell me what jeff without dream would we have this clutchcity website? Probably not. The brother has not dissed no one, not his fellow palyers nor the team all he has sayed is that he should get more touches not be the leader but more touches, whats wrong with that? "Huh he spoke to the media?" So what when he speaks to the media dont you think he wants his true fans to know whats up, aint that right, now we better informed and we know he has still the passion for the game whats wrong with that, why should he hush hush, get real man?! When crucial time comes we take him out and give the ball to people who are still learning why not give it to someone who has learnt already. You aint doing dream no favour being a rocket, thats one thing you oughta know, dream can go to almost any team in the league including the lakers (if they took sally what makes you think am wrong?) and get better respect than he is getting with a team he won championships with. I am with dream 100% on this one now we know he is human and hates losing, all of a sudden we are saying it is not is right and shouldnt say nothing, jeff are you with him in the locker rooms and rocket meetings how you know he dont say nothing? Whats so wrong about saying he should get more touches why not b=give him the ball and let him prove to us that he is still the same dream why deny him that oppurtunity? The other teams know what he is worth nowonder they double triple team him, ask Isaiah thomas, phil jackson, Shaq, vince cater. lafrentz and I qoute, ..he still has millions of moves" and any player in the league. Tell them dream is washed up and listen to what they tell you. Pat ewing is struggling but still gets more respect than dream, what dream is saying is play me, dont use no excuses about age or illness but play me and let me produce for you whats wrong with that. Dont you want a player in this day and age who has two rings , huge salary still with the passion for the game, still wants to play hard??He would be the last one to bash on his teammates, and dont tell me that dream should be thankful to the rockets, the gratitude should be mutual, just like a marriage the man and the wife should be credited for the success or failure of the marriage.Lastly I for one would love to see dream traded to a team that would play him and give him more respect for the next year or two before his retairement God willing. ------------------
I agree with every word, except the trade talk. If he goes to another team, I want him to sign with them himself. For now, he needs to get the respect he deserves. The entire Rockets organization should do everything they can to make Dream happy on this team. He has given them EVERYTHING. ------------------ If I make this shot, the Rockets will win tonight. If I miss, they might still win, but I doubt it. If I make two in a row, Florida's votes will actually count.
Man-- thats a real long paragraph it looked to painful on my eyes to read but im sure there are some good points in there though ------------------ "There are some frauds so well conducted that it would be stupidity not to be deceived by them." Charles Caleb Colton (1780-1832)
So daddyoh01 with your first registered post. Who were you speaking to not long ago? A coach is not being disloyal if he tries to roll out a new offense, and the guy can't pass or move properly. You don't have to dump it in to him 10 times in 20 minutes. Rudy is not being Disloyal. I don't believe the Dream is complaining, but if he is, he is only complaining about his lack of ability in learning new tricks. Bring it on daddyoh01 if you really want to talk some basketball. But take your disloyalty crap away, and find your long lost password, so you can show your face. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited December 05, 2000).]
So, let me get this straight...Dream is not expected to be "thankful" for everything this organization has done for him, but we must drop to our knees and worship Hakeem for everything he's done for us... Am I interpreting this wrong? Damn, your paragraph was hard to read...and I have a public school education... ------------------ Jazzkiller
hey slcroket and heypartner, got to tell you didnt appreciate your responses. It is clear your level of edu. is of pathetic levels so dont go around telling us slcroket as your misunderstanding of simple words proved that already. Go get you your GED and get out of your slcroketness! This goes out to you too partner, I really aint got nothin to say to yall other than stay off my posts they are ment for people of understanding and not ninkampoops as yourselfs. Even though this is the first post it dont mean I dont visit the site daily reading other posts you nitwit, am through taking to yall dont want to be at your level. If anything I said that is wrong forgive me. ------------------
Heypartner, I have to disagree with you a bit on these comments. I have no problem whatsoever with Rudy implementing a new offense, however, you make it sound as if it is okay to be inflexible. I for one don't want to see the ball pounded in the post either, but I also don't want to see continuous isos which result in basically the same thing. (Dribble penetration and a pass to a perimeter player for a three pointer). I do however, want to see a post presence. I know you know the game, thus the reason I direct comments to you often. Please tell me why we can't incorporate consistent post ups to Dream into Rudy's current system. I'm not trying to appease Dream with these comments either, but I do know based on his performances thus far, that Dream is still very effective against many of the lesser post players in the league save Shaq. What's wrong with a little bit of diversity Heypee? Oh yeah, Dream doesn't need to learn any new tricks. Besides it's too late. He never has been a good passer, nor a good pick and roller, or a good outlet passer. He is however one of the best players ever to play his position which should mean something particularly since he's still pretty effective even at this stage of his career. ------------------
I don't think anybody here has any problems with the using the post. The question here is what exactly Hakeem wants. If he wants the ball occasionally at the post, great... if he thinks that the dump-it-down offense should be reinstated to any significant degree... NO. Here's a question: if giving the ball to Hakeem much more would hurt the Rockets as a basketball team, would you still support it? Would you hurt the team as a whole, and the franchise, to appease one man's feelings? Hakeem did a lot for the Rockets, and everyone will always appreciate that. But Hakeem should also show respect for his team by conforming to what gives Houston the best chance to win. Right now, that's Francis. Houston is having trouble *right now* getting shots around to other players as well. Generally, Anderson gets the shaft. I'm sure Taylor and williams would enjoy more shots as well. It's all a matter of prioritizing; it's not like Rudy is maliciously disenfranchising his old comrade. ------------------ Shandon Anderson rocks. The lottery sucks. Playoffs 2001. [This message has been edited by haven (edited December 06, 2000).]
Why do these kinds of newbies only come out late at night when I am on the day shift? Man, that post was hard to look at even after my morning caffeine fix. ------------------ Behad Sergeant at Arms of the Clutch BBS
With no post game you end up like last night when Dallas stepped up their defense and the Rocket's jacked up 3 after 3.Wouldn't it have been nice to have an inside force to go to ? We were lucky last night ! ------------------
Behad, he is not a newbie. Since75, the system is not inflexible at all. Here's a Rudy quote about this whole issue: Hakeem gets low posts right now. He just doesn't get more; that would make us less flexible. I agree with Haven. Montronix...where is my tape!!!
Jesus Christ, dude, calm the hell down. I would write a very stimulating post here, but I must try to "get out of my slcroketness." Damn, man, don't get all bent just cuz some people might disagree with you. Further explaining your points is going to make a hell of a lot more difference than condemning my "slcroketness." ??????? GO ROKETS!!! CLUCH CITEE 2000!!! ------------------ Jazzkiller
hakeem is still the man..lets show this guy some respect..clutch city .net wouldnt be here and you wouldnt be posting here if that man hadnt carried us to the promise land... ------------------ i am a friend of sarah connors i was told she was here can i see her please
slcrocket, He has always been that way. This is not a new poster. And I got money on "mantronix". Look at one of his last threads...attacking everyone with a propensity to not use carriage returns. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum3/HTML/006011.html and this is why I think mantronix is also COACH SAMPSON http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum3/HTML/005984.html Mantronix...where is my tape!!
Ouch... Ever heard of paranthesis separation? It really helps in telling stories... Daddyoh01 ------------------
I really don't think that Hakeem getting more touches would make us less flexible. Some of the "best" plays that I've seen this season have started with an initial low post pass. Hakeem can still draw the double team and to his credit, he has been passing the ball off most of the time when he gets doubled. Personally, I think this gives our offense a better look than when our guards get doubled on the perimeter. By no means am I saying that we should go back to throwing the ball into Hakeem every play, but I think throwing it to him a little more adds different looks and more offensive possibilities, hence making us MORE versatile. ------------------
Damn Heypee, that's amazing. ------------------ "Stranger things have happened, but none stranger than this" - Commentator after a parachutist landed in the ring of a Holyfield fight
Probably would help if he could get off the ground. The rim has more rejections of Hakeem this year than any other player. ------------------ The $14 mil is back pay. Give me a break - Dream earned his salary this year, years ago. He deserves it. SamCassell in the Rockets 2000 : Game Action & Roster Moves forum
This is a little off the topic, but has anybody noticed that Hakeem's shotblocking is under par this year? Thats the only thing that I think has been discouraging about his play. Hes only averaging .89 blocks per game. ------------------ http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/houstonrockets2000
