Either start Lin, or bring in a new starting PG, Bev ain't cuttin' it.

You're recollection is selective memory and you're bias is clear so I'm at an impasse with you. He can be pretty effective scoring 12 points or so if he's doing other things and he does make big plays and shots.

 

*your* 2x. wish I could edit sometimes.

 

This could very well be true.

 

dared morey to trade lin lol

 

1. NOt true, but to your own eyes. both can play D, not at the most consistent level.

2. Lin's offensive game is significanty better than Beverley's at this point. no question. Look at the assists that Lin creates for other team0mates. He is also a faster , bigger and stronger player than Beverey which creates penetration and free throw attempts and havoc for the opponent.

Beverley's defensive prowess is debatable. I think he is a plus defensive player he is not a shut down guy like Deion Sanders was in football or Ray Lewis type player. And i don't think he can handle the better PG's in the league or bigger players, that LIn can handle bigger guards due to his size.

 

3. He's now injured more than playing (go back to last years playoffs)
4. He can only go right, if you force him left, he picks up his dribble and trys to shoot a fall away jumper.
5. Jumps in the air with no idea of what he's going to do with ball, this is straight high school guard play.


1. Yes, finally a point for you. Lin is more injury prone no question. it might become more serious if he continues to engage in extreme physical play like this.

2. Are you Stephen A Smith? Lin has shown this year, his dribbe to his left has improved. He even has a decent left handed line-up. this kind of repeated false observations leads me to believe that you have it out for kid like SAS does.

3. You are just repeating what SAS. Lin at occasion does jump in the air and doesn't know what option to take. However, i've seen him make pretty good jump passes which is a play in basketbal. That criticism of him jumping in the air is quite ridiculous and not a serious mark ON Lin at this point

The only thing I would consider serious is his propensity to getting injured. That is one thing I am starting to see in Lin. That is something that we know, a quality, being injury prone, can be a detriment to a team or player of course.

 

The strange thing Rocknation is, the better point guards have had poor games against Beverley except for Parker. The not so highly ranked ones have had big games.

Beverley doesn't have the expectations and pressure of Lin. Lin earned the contract through his play and something of his personality and marketability. Morey, pre signing Harden and Howard, thought he was worth it to yank from the Knicks. There have been plenty games where Lin was the 2nd or 3rd best player on the floor and contributed mightily. Lin, like Harden, play makes and takes chances which increases chances for turnovers. If Lin played like Beverley he'd also have few turnovers. Lin is threading the needle on some passes, penetrating to break down defenses and also tougher defenders and sometimes double teams will try to disrupt Lin. Especially when Harden isn't on the floor, Lin will sometimes get one of the opponent's strongest defenders on him, Bev doesn't and teams don't prepare to stop or limit Bev the way they do Lin. Ultimately Lin may get to the TO level of Nash, still turn it over but being more secure with it but not as low a TO rate as Paul.

 

Jlin is inconsistent on the offensive and defensive end every night, he plays one well and the other he struggles. However, please put JLin vs. PBev numbers on a per dollar basis and it is clear that the Rockets would rather have PBev at what $1 mln vs Jlin at $8 mln.

When will LOF's start realizing that money factors into this

 

As long as both are on the team, the money is irrelevant. You don't get an extra free throw or an extra foul for having a cheaper salary.

Your original post was that Bev should start and is the better player (in essence, except you use pretty bad arguments). That has nothing to do with salary.

If we weight all players by salary, should we weight the scores by salary once we are in the game?[/QUOTE]

No you don't but you do get a chance to hold onto Chandler Parson and sign him earlier before his value skyrockets. Guess who's money they need, an overpaid point guard who delivers similiar results as a PG who is paid signficantly less.

Scoring - Jlin by a couple of points
Assists - Jlin
Rebounding - PBev
Defense - PBev
Consistency - both have their struggles on both ends of the floor

 

Lets be honest here.

PBev might get 2 mil if signed today.

Jlin would probably get near MLE by many teams.


So who is the better player? Teams will pay Lin more money than BEV because he's the better player. LIN should be starting.

 

No you don't but you do get a chance to hold onto Chandler Parson and sign him earlier before his value skyrockets. Guess who's money they need, an overpaid point guard who delivers similiar results as a PG who is paid signficantly less.

Scoring - Jlin by a couple of points
Assists - Jlin
Rebounding - PBev
Defense - PBev
Consistency - both have their struggles on both ends of the floor[/QUOTE]

And all things equal, Les has said he's willing to go into the luxury tax for a contender. And we have the right to go over the cap to re-sign Parsons

But people here are more worried about Les spending money out of his own pockets than they are about the Rockets fielding the strongest possible team. They hope Les can save his money by trading Lin away.

 

If you think JLin would go for $3M max as a point guard, all you've shown is a complete disconnect between yourself and the real world of NBA Contracts and how much Offensive point guards earn once they're off rookie scale.

Raymond Felton makes $3.5M/year, plays no defense, less offense, is 29 years old, and his contract at point of signing was considered fair to cheap. And Felton is a substantially inferior player to Lin.

Keep telling yourself that Lin is overpaid... look at actual PG contracts and you'll realize how far the gap in terms of how the NBA values a scoring, attacking PG like Lin vs a defensive specialist like Beverley.

$8.3M is probably about fair value, at worst a slight overpay, at best still on the cheap side depending on how Lin develops over the remaining life of his contract.

Of course, maybe you're one of those folks that think that most NBA players are overpaid. I slot those kind of people at the types that complain about the price of a Big Mac and movie tickets yet still keep shelling out to pay the price...