Either start Lin, or bring in a new starting PG, Bev ain't cuttin' it.

That was not an apology. It was I think you are a hater from what I read but I can't be 100% positive.

 

Rockets are 9-1 when Beverley plays under 30 min

I took a few minutes to compare what our Win-Loss record is with the main 3 guards in our rotation and the impact their minutes played have, since we can't seem to agree as to who our starting guards should be. I went in not knowing what I would find but was surprised by some of the results. Just wanted to share and hear your thoughts on how to interpret:

Player 30 min + / Under 30 min
Lin 8-3 / 8-6
Beverley 8-8 / 9-1
Harden 12-8 / 4-1

Yes, I know it's still early on in the season but it will be interesting to see how this shakes out as the season continues on.

At the end of the day we have our best success when when Lin plays 30 minutes or more and when Bev plays less than 30 min. I figured that Lin would have a better record than Bev on the 30min+ but was shocked to see how much better we are when we don't have Bev playing so many minutes. (and yes, I've been one of the very vocal ones who said that Bev is better suited coming off the bench and bringing his high energy game and defensive intensity in spurts).

Also, while I'm the last one to say we shouldn't play Harden, I do think that when he's in the game, we get into this over reliance on him and just sit and wait for him to do his thing (which 2/3 of the time is dribble until there are 5-6 seconds left and then drive, shoot, pass) and it leaves a lot of our team just sitting around and watching him. When he's not in the game, we are forced to move the ball more and get more creative on offense.

So my takeaways from this are that 1) we play more Lin and less Bev and 2) we control Harden's minutes more- specifically on those nights where he isn't playing D or is missing a ton of shots.

 

Alright- I just started a new thread with some stats I compiled. I'm sure some people will hate it and I seriously didn't know what I would find when I went to pull the numbers. But they show we really do better with Lin playing 30 or more min a game and we do way better when Bev plays less than 30 min. In my opinion, it's a no brainer who should be starting and the PG getting the majority of the minutes.

 

I don't doubt that Bev can shut down more guys than Lin. But the difference isn't night and day. There are a number of mediocre guards that have had their best games against Bev's stellar D this season. But even if he shut's down their man and he scores 15 points instead of his normal 25, Bev hurts us so much on the offensive end that it makes it harder for us to score and he isn't giving us the scoring and playmaking that Lin would provide.

 

lol I can see why KlutchQT can rub some people the wrong way...

 

If you look at it from the perspective that Lin is not in the long term plan and Beverley is, then everything makes more sense.

 

LMAO.... what can I say? :grin:

 

In reality, KlutchQT is just derailing the thread.

 

In reality, I'm only posting in here at this point when I am quoted or mentioned. Like now.

 

Yes- if the long term plan is to appease Harden and not to win the most games and a title.

 

So let the guy post his opinion. He is on topic. Good night.

 

Agreed with your takeaways. But couldn't you have just posted this in the Bev/Lin threads instead of starting a new one?

Also, Harden has 5 games where he played <30mins? I'm kinda surprised.

 

I wasn't aware I had the power to keep someone from posting what they want. Good night to you, too.

 

When Beverley plays less minutes, Lin plays more. Teams in general will do better when the better players get more minutes.

 

It could also be that in games that Beverley plays less than 30 minutes are games that the Rockets have under control and they can afford to give Lin more minutes and Beverley less minutes.

Whereas tough games where the Rockets are battling, they keep Beverley in longer and therefore the games he is in 30+ minutes are those tough games that are just as likely to end in a loss as a win.

So to clarify... maybe it isn't that Bev's minutes are affecting the outcome of the game. It may be that what is happening in the game is affecting Bev's minutes. Close games = more minutes for Bev, but have a higher chance of ending in a loss. Games under control = more rest for Bev, which are more likely to result in a win.

 

When Bev plays less than 30 minutes it probably means we have a healthy Lin. They're a pretty good PG tandem and complement eachother well. It doesn't mean Bev is a bad player.

 

I don't think the brass are expecting a title this year.

I think the organization is developing the players they want to keep and know that they need to move Lin's contract to acquire the remaining piece they need to become serious contenders.

 

I was going to post it in the Lin should start over Bev but there's a lil back and forth with QT and SugLand and I didn't want to get in the way and accidentally get knocked the heck out. LOL

And yea- I included the games that Harden missed as 30 min or less. That's why there are 5 games.

 

Wow, you're reaching a bit here. I think it's much more likely that teams do better when the better players play more minutes. That's been the trend anyways, ever since the game of basketball has been conceived.

 

I've been to 7 or 8 games this season and watched quite a few more via broadcast and usually when the game is close, Mchale has Lin in there. Sometimes, Bev is in there along with him though.