Murphy is just as good of a roleplayer as PJ is but a lot younger. He's a good rebounder and defender, and his midrange j would make sure that the lane wouldnt be clogged for Ming. Also his postup game is hella better than Griffs.
I dont know about getting Brand AND Cassell or Payton but if steve is moving to the 2 guard then they will want to get a veteran point guard and Milwaukee is needing to unload a point guard this offseason.
ok, could someone tell me why this won't work, other than the fact that it's precisely what we'd all want to happen? Houston trades: SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 41.7 minutes) Houston receives: PF Elton Brand (18.5 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 2.5 apg in 39.6 minutes) Change in team outlook: +1.0 ppg, +7.1 rpg, and -0.4 apg. L.A. Clippers trades: PF Elton Brand (18.5 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 2.5 apg in 39.6 minutes) L.A. Clippers receives: SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 73 games) Change in team outlook: -1.0 ppg, -7.1 rpg, and +0.4 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Due to Houston and L.A. Clippers being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Houston and L.A. Clippers had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. You have been assigned Trade ID number 1007688
because the clippers would be stupid to do this trade, Brand is an all-star and mobley is a good third option on a team. Brand is a star, and mobley isn't
that's why it won't happen , not why it won't work. and the clippers are stupid, it's been proven, although doing this trade would prove it in spades.
Please give me a "Clippers are stupid" example. Besides, you do know that the RealGM show the salaries of THIS SEASON, not next season don't you? Brand is set for a max or near max contract. He can't be traded straight up for Cuttino Mobley. TRADE DECLINED.
Brand would be maxed out like newgirl said, so unless Les goes MarkCuban on us, it's unlikely it'll happen. A maxed out Steve, a soon to be Maxed out Yao, and a maxed out Brand? Unlikely. But to get brand, it'll have to be: Cat @5 mil EG @ 3 mil Moochie @ 3 mil just to be in the salary range brand would be in.
steddinotayto: 'unless Les goes MarkCuban on us' Les may not go more Cubes but he will have to enter LuxuryTaxLand if he expects to compete in the WildWildWest anytime soon. There will NOT be a single team in the West entering next season not believing it has a real shot at the playoffs. Yes, including Denver and Memphis. The Clips, too. None. For the Rox to escape LottoLand they will have to enter LuxuryTaxLand.
throw in Griffin like someone else said and Moochie if that's what's needed to make the salaries match. I think the trade would have to be more along the lines of EG, Mobley and 2004 draft pick for Brand. No way we get Brand for Mobley straight up. Aside fromt he contracts not even close to being the same, that deal is very lopsided.
Mobley,Griffin and Rice(salary match purposes) for Elton Brand & filler(to match salaries). This would be a "sign and trade" deal. And I think if this goes down the Rockets can have Brand at a salary similar to what Rashard Lewis got which is not a MAX salary. From everything I have read, Brand will play for LESS than the max if he knows he is in a good situation in terms of being on a solid team that is focused on winning!
yea well the markcuban comment was meant as 'Les gotta spend more' and not as 'pick up everyone and wear stupid FOOTBALL jerseys to BASKETBALL games'. Realistically 'throwing' in Rice jacks up the trade $$ so Brand and filler isn't going to do it. AND in all honesty we NEED Rice next season. We need that veteran prescence on the team. Rice has more value to us than to any other team in that his contract runs up (more cap space) and he's pulling everyone together. Cat, EG, and Mooch is the most possible case....unless the Rox want Q or Odom or Maggette....which in turn 'throwing' in rice is best. and as for Brand making NON-MAX salary, don' think so. it's one thing to say you'll take less but it's another when teams starting offering you the max. Lewis didn't get the max because he wasn't worth it. I'm willing to bet 9 outta 10 times that teams would rather give the money to Brand than to Lewis. Lewis HAD to take the money since no one else was willing to max him out.
Sorry. The Clips won't even pay Elton Brand $9 mil for a season, so they wouldn't pay Rice's similar salary, even if it is for only one year. I wonder if the Clips will keep together their team (Brand, Odom, etc) if they get the chance to draft cash-cow LeBron James? I won't bet on it, but I wonder.
The only Brand trade I see salary-wise and meeting needs of both teams, is: Brand (max s&t) / one other cheaper player for Mobely/Griffin/Norris That other player would be negotiable, from among Keyon Dooling, Wang ZhiZhi, or maybe Quintin Richardson, and I doubt they'd give away Q. Of course Brand is worth the max contract. Any team in the league would pay him that, except LAC. Moochie is the only other player we can throw in to get to Brand's max contract in a S&T, besides Boki, who I don't think we'd trade. Posey, Collier, Hawkins and Morris are FA's, and you can only include one S&T into a trade. In order to take Norris off our hands, and sweeten the deal, I think we'd have to give 1-3 of our first round draft choices, since they love draft choices. Now if we had Ming, Francis and Brand, with Boki developing at the 4, we'd be in the finals for a long time, making those low in the draft. The risk would have to do with possible injuries to those stars, and then being unable to rebuild the team quickly. I might take that risk. But, you always worry. Remember Ralph Sampson. Remember Grant Hill. Those draft choices Orlando threw away, turned out to be more valuable, after Hill's injury. Now we can't get Piatkowski, since he'll be a FA. We might be able to sign him for some of our mid-level outright, and strike some kind of silent agreement that they wouldn't match it, but not in the S&T. And, we can't make Odom, Miller, or Maggette part of the same deal, since they are also FAs. We can work multiple deals, maybe. But once we gave them Mobely and Griffin, we wouldn't have anything else they wanted, except Boki. Cato makes too much for LAC, and of course, they wouldn't want Taylor or he them. So, I don't think those are happening, IF we were incredibly lucky enough to get Brand.
You do know that the biggest contract that Sterling has ever given to a player on a second year contract is the 3 year 15 million to Piatkowski right? Do you really have any reason to believe that he will give a max contract to Brand? Do you think Brand will resign with the Clipps for less than the max ?
Cuttino Mobley, Eddie Griffin, Kelvin Cato, Terence Morris or Bostjan Nachbar (whichever one sucks more), and a 1st Round Draft Pick. For Elton Brand and Quentin Richardson and maybe a 2nd round draft pick or WangZhiZhi ... This is if Brand makes max...
Wow, this thread is really long. Unless Rudy is fired it doesn't matter which players we have when we don't even utilize their talents effectively. I'd be glad to see Mooch gone, I think Cat is too good a value price-wise--he just needs coaching. I'd LOVE to see Jamal Crawford. I don't know why they hell we got Tito in the first place. Jim Boylen and them kept saying Tierre is 6-4 so he can play SG, BS...he couldn't shoot and was a wasted pick. Tierre was better...haha.
Okay I've decided to participate in this silly thread. Please stop those "giving Moochie/Rice/Cato to Clippers" trade proposals! Crash answered it for me here why it will ever happen. Sterling will never accept a contract Moochie/Rice/Cato like. That said it all why those above proposals will never work in a million years. I am not saying that Clippers will definitely give Brand a max contract but it's high possibility that they will MATCH ANY OFFERS other teams provided for Brand. That's a minimum salaries for any NBA franchises you know? Clippers at least need some players to fill out that. With a roster of a max out Brand and all the rookie contracts and cheap veteran minimums (they will let Kandi, Maggette, Piatkowski etc go), Clippers' payroll will only be about 25-28m, only about 2-3m more than this year, highly acceptable for the cheap Sterling. As for why Brand will resign with Clippers for less than max, well if other teams give him less than max, Clippers match, then he will have no choice. It's not up to him, it's up to the market. Of course he has the last choice if he doesn't want to play for the Clippers, go the Kandi 1-year route and become an unrestricted FA in 2004. But it's highly unlikely that he will give up a max contract THIS YEAR than wait for 1 more year NEXT YEAR when nobody can predict what will happen and risk losing a ton of money. Either way, Houston have slim to none chance of getting Elton Brand. Forget it people.
