Either start Lin, or bring in a new starting PG, Bev ain't cuttin' it.

then why the linsanity? you have to have the ball to score.

 

Dude, this is just stupid. Bev's hustle has been what seperates himself from Lin. Nobody on the team plays as hard as Bev. To say Lin brings more energy than Bev exposes you as a member of the church of Lin. You can't bring yourself to say Beverley's better at anything than Lin. Admit it

Again, not only stupid just inaccurate. In what way is Jeremy Lin a better rebounder than Beverley? These are areas where Bev's CLEARLY the better of the two and you can't even admit this lol. San Antonio was our biggest win of the season and we wouldn't have won that if it weren't for Bev's tip in offensive rebound. Your personal likeness for Lin is clouding your judgement on this topic. Just admit Jeremy Lin's one of your favorite players and you personally like him better than anybody on the Rockets, I'd respect your position more.

Really???? Are you really this bias?

Most of Lin's turnovers are him being unsure of what he wants to do, not "aggression" lol. He first passes up a wide open jumper, gets in the lane, jumps up in there air without knowing whether he wants to shoot or pass, then carelessly throws the ball away. ---------Jeremy's Lin career

I'll chalk this up to lack of basketball knowledge. IT'S CALLED DEFENSE!!!!! Bev's defense and ability to chase down offensive rebounds are why he's finishing most games. Plus I wouldn't truly consider him a liability on offense, though he's slightly slumping on offense. Lin will NEVER hold a guard like Lillard to 1-8 showing lol. The constant ball pressure, the lock down defense, the key rebounds are something Lin will never be known for.

 

Is Harden starting over Lin? Never mind.

 

Here's what Jeremy did when he was playing the PG.

4:20 Jeremy Lin enters the game for Patrick Beverley 60-67
4:20 60-67 Joel Freeland enters the game for LaMarcus Aldridge
4:20 Dwight Howard misses free throw 2 of 2 60-67
4:18 60-67 Joel Freeland defensive rebound
4:03 60-67 Nicolas Batum misses 24-foot three point jumper
4:01 60-67 Robin Lopez offensive rebound
3:57 Jeremy Lin shooting foul (Wesley Matthews draws the foul) 60-67
3:57 60-67 Wesley Matthews misses free throw 1 of 2
3:57 60-67 Trail Blazers offensive team rebound
3:57 60-67 Mo Williams enters the game for Damian Lillard
3:57 60-68 Wesley Matthews makes free throw 2 of 2
3:44 Dwight Howard makes two point shot 62-68
3:28 62-68 Mo Williams misses 18-foot step back jumpshot
3:27 Dwight Howard defensive rebound 62-68
3:16 Chandler Parsons misses layup 62-68
3:15 Chandler Parsons offensive rebound 62-68
3:09 Omri Casspi makes driving layup (Chandler Parsons assists) 64-68
2:53 64-70 Nicolas Batum makes two point shot
2:30 64-70 Robin Lopez shooting foul (Dwight Howard draws the foul)
2:30 Trail Blazers Full timeout
2:30 Francisco Garcia enters the game for Chandler Parsons 64-70
2:30 64-70 Dorell Wright enters the game for Wesley Matthews
2:30 Dwight Howard makes free throw 1 of 2 65-70
2:30 65-70 LaMarcus Aldridge enters the game for Robin Lopez
2:30 Dwight Howard makes free throw 2 of 2 66-70
2:18 66-70 Nicolas Batum bad pass
2:13 Dwight Howard makes dunk (Jeremy Lin assists) 68-70
2:00 68-70 Mo Williams misses 16-foot jumper
2:00 Rockets defensive team rebound 68-70
2:00 68-70 Joel Freeland loose ball foul (Omri Casspi draws the foul)
2:00 Omri Casspi makes free throw 1 of 2 69-70
2:00 Omri Casspi makes free throw 2 of 2 70-70
1:44 70-70 Nicolas Batum bad pass (Dwight Howard steals)
1:39 70-70 Mo Williams shooting foul (Dwight Howard draws the foul)
1:39 Jeremy Lin misses free throw 1 of 2 70-70
1:39 Rockets offensive team rebound 70-70
1:39 Jeremy Lin makes free throw 2 of 2 71-70
1:25 71-72 LaMarcus Aldridge makes 19-foot jumper (Mo Williams assists)
1:07 Dwight Howard makes 7-foot two point shot 73-72
0:42 73-72 Dorell Wright misses 22-foot three point jumper
0:42 73-72 Dorell Wright offensive rebound
0:38 73-75 Mo Williams makes 24-foot three point jumper (Dorell Wright assists)
0:28 James Harden makes 25-foot three pointer 76-75
0:08 Omri Casspi shooting foul (LaMarcus Aldridge draws the foul) 76-75
0:08 76-76 LaMarcus Aldridge makes free throw 1 of 2
0:08 76-76 LaMarcus Aldridge misses free throw 2 of 2
0:07 James Harden defensive rebound 76-76
0:00 Jeremy Lin misses 25-foot three point jumper 76-76
0:00 76-76 LaMarcus Aldridge defensive rebound

Then 4th Q started and Sampson subbed Bev to PG and Lin moved to SG. That blew up because Bev can't distribute the ball. From then, it went down hill and the Rox never tied or took the lead ever in the 4th Q.

 

Lin fans can keep asking for this, but it will not happen as long as both of them are on the court together. Give it up, Lin won't play PG unless it is off the bench or on another team.

 

A case could be made for an upgrade at any position except the starting 2 & 5.

That said, I am leaning towards a competent back up 5 who can also play the 4.

I have been wavering concerning our biggest need. A stretch 4 and 2-way defensive wing both sound nice as well. But watching the opponent rack up leads when Howard leaves the floor is not sustainable.

 

Yes wha ti don't understand is even when lin shares the court with bev, bev is the main ball handler lol.

shouldnt it be other way around?

 

Because Lin played sg in college and is the 6 man who can just look to score.

 

His English may be broken but i bet he's at least bilingual.
And you? monolingual?
He still wins.

 

I disagree. When you consider the sheer volume of minutes Bev is getting recently and his low scoring, it's kinda glaring. It's not as if he's getting a solid 28 minutes a game and scoring 10 points. He's getting, instead, 40 minutes a game, as evident last game and not only scoring a low amount of points but shooting at a really bad percentage.

Bev does do some things better than Lin, but that's quite a weak argument to justify Bev starting over Lin. The question is who contributes to a W the most. I'd argue Lin does because he brings more to the table overall than Bev does. He's elite at driving and scoring and getting to the line. This is partly why is efficiency is so high compared to so many other players. And he shoots the 3 better than Bev.

 

Why do people keep on bringing up offense as a reason Lin should start?

The rockets are one of the top offense teams in the league so that isn't a problem.

Defense is the reason why Bev will continue to start over Lin, you can't have Lin and Harden playing a lot of mins together.

 

Your argument is overly simplistic. If Lin played zero defense then your argument would be more substantive. Beverly may be a better one on one defender, but it's not like Lin is a defensive liability and some believe he's a superior team defender.

The bottom line is, it is not obvious that Beverly should start over Lin. Some people act like "well, of course it should be this way," and that's patently ridiculous and incredibly subjective.

It's a very debatable topic. And since when did offense not matter? Further, wouldn't having Lin on the floor help other people's offense since Lin will demand more defensive attention than Beverly?

 

Um, no he's not. Please stop throwing the world elite around so loosely. Elite is CP3, Tony Parker type. Lin's a "good" penetrator when he's not turning the ball over. His advantage is he's very fast with the ball. He's improved on his shot this year. But he's not as reliable down the stretch of games. Since when did we start putting Jeremy Lin in the same class as CP3?

 

Except for the Rockets no other team in the NBA would ever start Bev unless they were desperate because of injuries to their 1st and 2nd string PGs.

Bev is a 3rd string PG and at best a very weak 2nd string PG.

The only reason Bev is a starter for the Rockets is some unnatural hatred for Jeremy Lin.

All 30 NBA teams would start a PG who could give you 17-19ppg, 6 apg, 5 rpg, and plays ok D over Bev any day and twice on Sundays.

Jeremy if he was allowed to play 35 mpg instead of being benched so much would give you the above stats easily.

There are many great Defensive PGs in college, D-leagues, playing oversees who can't even make the NBA because all they can do is play D which is all Bev can do. And Bev's D is only good against some PGs especially against small, fast PGs. Others light him up.

To make a Defensive specialist who can't: score, run and offense, or even get decent asts numbers playing heavy minutes shows how warped the Rockets have become.

You have a PG comparable to Lin on the Rockets but not Lin and Bev would see 10 minutes or as a defensive specialist for a play or two.

It's gross how warped some people have become lionizing a PG with such a low Per, can't score or do anything a PG is supposed to do and is only good playing D against some opposing PGs.

 

Don't put words in my mouth. I never even mentioned CP3, you did.

"Elite" is a somewhat subjective word when applied to NBA players. Does elite mean only top 2? Does it mean top 3? How about top 5?

I'm not good with stats, but maybe someone can examine the stats and see how Lin rates at driving. But, hasn't this been done before?

 

Did you remember to take your meds this morning?

 

lol most of this makes no sense at all just saying

 

It's idiotic thinking caused by some warped hatred of Jeremy for these people to advocate starting Bev over Lin.

It like starting a Defensive specialist over James Harden and limiting the beard to 15 min many games.

Harden plays hardly any D since he joined the Rockets why not bench him for some 2-guard who can't score, get asts, or do anything a 2-guard is supposed to do except play D.

 

Because Harden is a star and Lin is not. I like Lin but he is what he is a solid scorer and serviceable pg not a star point guard. Bev fits starters better and Lin is not the type of player you make concessions for.

 

I can't answer for others, but I have always preferred Lin starting over Bev simply because he is the better basketball player. Some may want to argue this, but I don't know why they would. I'm greedy. I want to see the best five at their positions, give them a chance to work with each other at least half a season, and see what we really have here before making roster tweaks.