Why is it a "double-standard" for Yao Ming to be called a communist by hecklers when he IS from a communist country and for Kirilenko to NOT be called a communist when he is NOT from a communist country?
why?, i'll explain further then with a current example. do you see cuban athletes who are from a current communist nation get as much bs about being from a communist country as yao ming did? i don't think so. you don't hear them say communist strike when a cuban pitcher, strikes someone out. if russia were still communist, and andrei kirilenko was playing, do you really think they could pick a russian from a crowd of white people and make communist jokes toward them like they do with chinese-americans who aren't even communist all the time? do people in america realize that there are hate crimes against chinese because people look at china as this evil communist nation. i know my brother who was a cab driver briefly, had a person ask him, are you chinese? cause i want to kill all chinese. all you people are communist. bla bla. bla. so my brother would make a joke and lie to him and say nah, i'm hawaiian or filipino. and what with north korea being a so called threat or part of the axis of evil as the US has conveniently labeled it and had covers on newsweek with the label dr. evil or whatever, it'll be pretty easy for an idiot to mistake a chinese person for a korean. they always do that anyway and then they say you're all the same. even though there is actually a distinct difference in how koreans look compared to chinese. but it's hard to notice for people who haven't seen asians of different varieties on a regular basis. in other words, most asian people got the arab so called terrorist treatment way before even though they never bombed the world trade center. indian people were also killed because they were mistaken for terrorists just because they wear turbans. these are typical examples of the discrimination america has. the jokes the media uses on certain foreign minorities isn't as harmless as some people think it is. by the way, the only reason that french guy got heckled at was because he had his flag embedded on his golfing bags. asians, middle-eastern people, and indians don't need a flag to get noticed. i'm just illustrating these examples since people don't understand it.
Nobody should give a da!n about the so called experts that are media people. Most of them don't even know basketball. What our fan should values is the opinion of people that knows basketball, like the Coach, GMs, Scouts, they're being pay to study a player. They're the one to listen to.
I saw Lebron James live on ESPN. He's nothing special. He can not hope to be as halft good as MJ in his life time. Like MJ said, he needs tons of work, he got talent but he's only dominating the High school kids. People are paying Attention (undeserved) to Lebron because he's got potential, and we all know potential is not always being realized by some players. Lebron could be a bust just for all the pressures being put on him, and he's still just a kid to deal with those.
Tom Tolbert is an idiot that never have anything intelligent or interesting to say on TV although his job is a commentator. I missed Jayson William as a commentator. How could they find such a ignorant guy to do commentaries? There's tons of quality people out there that can talk basketball.
I feel i must remind all the people with the white in their mind.s Concidering the histroty of 5 thousands years of human developments, the Chinese dominated the 95% of time.so it is early to predict that the white is superior than other colors, espectailly Chinese.Think twice about it
huh? what are you talking about? nobody said white is superior to other colors. do you know how to read? hooked on phonics is only $9.99. you need it. aside from that, i hope they close this dumba$$ thread cause its getting really redundant replying to it.
really....you make no sense at all. you have a blatenly false perception of history if you believe anything that you have said
IMO this thread is going nowhere. Admin should at least move it elsewhere if not lock it. Newgirl's intention is to go to the race issue, but he/she doesn't want to say it her/himself since a lot of posters will not appreciate this kind of thread. So other posters take the bait (and be included in other's ignore list).
All what you say is not straight: Yao voted as All-Star: This is crap. Yao doesn't deserve it. When you got a competition like Shaq, it's hard for people not to be negative about the decision. Just imagine Amare is voted as All-Star instead of Duncan/Garnett. I don't think Yao deserves it... YET. Yao himself said that he doesn't deserve it in the interview/journal. HE KNOWS, but FANS DON'T. Yao possibly voted as ROY: Crap. Yao doesn't deserve it. Which media are you referring to? I think most of the media is talking about a competition between these two guys, and Yao is as much a good candidate as Amare before the voting. Don't make things up to stir other people's emotions please. Amare voted as ROY: Cheers. Amare deserves it. Yao doesn't deserve it. The fact is, as hard as it is for you, Amare deserves it as much as Yao deserves it. However, very few media that I know is talking about how Yao doesn't deserve it compared to Amare's. These two people are very good candidates and have equal chances of being selected before the voting, and the media is not biased towards one or the other.
like i said, this thread is getting really redundant. the above just proves it. its like you're going around in circles. all the points the above person argued were already explained as not being accurate before. do not post more bs unless you read everything that's been said before. and even then, please don't post. it's unnecessary.
like i said, this thread is getting really redundant. the above just proves it. its like you're going around in circles. all the points the above person argued were already explained as not being accurate before. do not post more bs unless you read everything that's been said before. and even then, please don't post. it's unnecessary. you're clogging clutch bbs database with the same nonsense already said.
like i said, this thread is getting really redundant. the above just proves it. its like you're going around in circles. all the points the above person argued were already explained as not being accurate before. do not post more bs unless you read everything that's been said before. and even then, please don't post. it's unnecessary. you're clogging clutch bbs database with the same nonsense already said. the point that was being discussed was not about amare not deserving rookie of the year. amare is a DESERVING candidate. people were arguing about how player and some fan reaction and some media reaction would have been had yao ming won. yao ming did not deserve the starting center position on the all star team, but was it because of chinese voters that yao won like most of the nation and media assumed. he did deserve to be a backup however. but he was voted in by the US fans since shaq was injured early on and the lakers were a potential lottery team pre all star break. also if you read what was said in the sun times and in other articles, the comments journalists made about how it became unfashionable to vote for yao and how there was resentment among many players because of yao's race, you would understand that people were biased. also amare, and stephon, kobe, and some other players were spreading the notion that yao ming was basically an overhyped novelty and not a legitimate candidate for rookie of the year. not even close. that's political mud slinging to make the other candidate look bad. the media bought the conspiracy theories those guys spread. so before you go pointing the race card at someone, i think you need to remember who brought that card out in the beginning.
Ok Spiral, first off, I would like to say China isn't communistic any more, no communist country would have a strabucks around every corner next to a McDonalds or KFC. That's about all the politics I'm get into right now. As far as your Cuban example, umm, are you saying hispanics aren't being as treated as badly as asians here in the states I find that actually a little hard to believe. As far as why aren't the Cuban players heckled as communist, well because they defected, it's as simple as that. And the argument that says Krinlinko gets more hype than Yao because he's white is quite a statement, so what about guys like Dirk, Peja, or hand full of other Euros that came in and went in the second round or very low first round? Not to mention all of the media saying they would be crap? It's all about the unknown. No one thinks the European bball system is as good as the US, so they didn't they were gonna be successful until successful players developed from them. Same with highschool players, even after Magic did it, most ppl were hesitant and would lable a high school player project or bust until Kobe and T-Mac starts to take over. Now on to racism, as a Chinese in America, I have witness racism first hand, no doubt about that. But for every bad/rude/racist person I've met an open minded/nice person. I've seen racism or hate from all races, colors or creeds. I've even seen Chinese from main land that hates Japanese and Taiwanese with all their guts, I've also know Taiwanese that looks down on ppl because they are from the main lands. There's bad apples in every basket, I choose to focus more on the good ones and hopefully change the bad ones.
wizkid, i never implied anything about china's capitalistic nature, so why did you bring it up as if you were correcting me. second, regarding the cuban example, it is a known fact that cuba, despite being a communist nation, is not part of the "axis of evil" nor is it as frequent a target of the american media. why? maybe the answer lies in the bible. i've heard people tell me that the bible says asians are going to bring the end of the world, so many people are especially paranoid about that part. because the bible mentions something about a huge army from the east. also i don't know where you live. but where i live. i know relatives of mine have called up in the middle of the night and told me how their business was burned down after somebody made a threat to them and said that they would and they told them to go back to China or whatever. I have also read very small newspaper clippings that only briefly talked about how some hispanic kids put a bag over a korean man and bashed the back of his head with a brick. this was part of a series of crimes people did when they were targeting chinese delivery men who work for restaurants. only the korean guy was just a regular guy coming home, and he was ambushed and bag was put over his head and he was killed with a brick execution style just like all the other crimes targeting asians. yet, does the newspaper cover it in depth? NO, it's a f**king footnote they used to report it. tiny paragraph basically. they don't call that racism either you know that. in all my years, i have never read anybody doing that to cubans or hispanic people of any kind. even though hispanics are a minority, they are somehow viewed as more american than asians, who along with middle eastern people, and indian people are basically labeled eternal immigrants/foreigners even if they were born in this country. also i never made an argument about how kirilenko gets more hype. stupid. learn how to read. dirk was the 8th or 7th pick if i remember correctly, how is that a low pick? the media does not call white players crap. nor do you hear them make fun of their heritage dumba$$. if anything, they give them the benefit of the doubt, which they clearly did not give yao ming. look at darko example stupid. as for why chinese hate japanese, there's a very good reason for that. japanese covered up their history of murder in China and the experiments they did on Chinese people. they tested diseases on chinese people and then sold medical information gathered from guinea pig experiments to the united states and then the US war crimes called them innocent in exchange for the medical information which would be used for a cure in modern medicine in the US. something you never hear about in US or Japanese history. Japanese were nazi like. they treated Chinese as if they were jews. they committed many crimes in china when they invaded them. wizkid, i'm sorry for calling you this. BUT YOU'RE A MORON. no offense. nothing personal. i just think you're talking nonsense. white players being called crap by all the media? hilarious. chinese being racist towards japanese? excuse me, dumba$$, isn't it the other way around. in recent interviews with one of the japanese soldiers, they said they didn't consider chinese human. they learned a lot from nazis didn't they? you know its funny how fate has a way of paying people back for evil **** they do. those guys who experimented on chinese people, since they were pardoned and declared innocent. they later on got rich and made a medical research company that intentionally infected japanese people with hiv to find a cure. payback's a b!tch isn't it?
Spiral, first off you said "from a communist country as yao ming did" implying China is communistic country. There were a lot of debate with China's economic system during the summer so I just thought I clear the air again for those that don't know. Now on to your Bible part, I think there's as many people parnoid about the eastern army taking over as people paranoid about people paranoid about the eastern army taken over. Second of all, I think the eastern army at that part was more around Turkey or Persia, the shouldn't always be taken literally and it is a little vague on some parts. But hell, who knows that it didn't already happen? It could've been talking about Ghengis Kahn or Atilla the Hun. Besides a lot of Chinese or Korean ppl I know a Christians and they don't seem to be fearing themselves . As far as the tragedies that happen to the asians, my heart goes out to them. I'm Chinese and from Houston and like I said I've known and witness racism first hand. It happens, but I don't think at this day and age it represents the view of the majority. I also like to think that the area of the town in which those tragedies happen, because if its in a bad part of town, violence is gonna happen. You said they targeted Chinese delivery guys, maybe robbery motive was involved as far as an easy target, I don't know, such violents acts are unjustified under any circumstances. But I think there are as many Hispanic on Hispanic crime as there are Hispanic on Asian crime. I still can't believe you don't think Hispanics are being biased against, just go to google and enter key words like "racism against hispanics" or something and look at what you'll find. Ok, my bad, I don't know why I typed Kirelenco, I was talking about Milicic and your quote was implying no one's questioning Milicic's potential. Like I said, I think its because Europeans have proven themselves capable in this league. As far as Nowitizki, he was the 9th pick but that still doesn't dissent from the fact that people called him a bust and the fact that people have a view of European players are going to be busts. Btw Peja was the 45th pick. As for why (some) Chinese hate Japanese, I'll talk about that in a sec, but waht about the hate between some main land Chinese and Taiwanese? I've always hated that stuff, wondering why doesn't to group of people with the same ancestry, read the same language, look the same hate each other so? I've always turn to the seven step poem, if you're Chinese you should be familiar with it: Ö󶹳Ö×÷¸þ£¬äõluÝÄÒÔžéÖ_¡£Ý½ÔÚ¸ªÏÂÈ»£¬¶¹ÔÚ¸ªfuÖÐÆü£»±¾ÊÇͬ¸ùÉú£¬Ïà¼åºÎÌ«¼± Now on to Japan? What they did was horrendous, I have relatives (grand parents, grand uncles, etc) that suffered in that war and it was a terrible black eye on humanity. And yes I'm always mad when they spend maybe half an hour in history class on it if even that while spending 2 weeks on holocaust. But I don't think we should let constant hate brew with in a community and be proud of having that hate and diss anyone who doesn't have the hate, that's just way too fu*king ridiculous. The last thing I want for Eastern asia is to become what the middle east is right now.
Umm... May I interupt. I think that this thread has turned into something that people do not know what is the point of discussion. Let clarify it here because the more I read, the more I think that people are discussing on the different things. Is the objective of the thread to make the observation that Yao has been treated unfairly by the media compair to James? Is the objective of the thread to hint that Yao has been treated unfairly because of his race, i.e, racism? Is the objective of the thread to discuss if there is racism in the U.S? Then the thread has turned to If Asians has been discriminated more than other minorities? And last: It turns into the interpretation of "BIBLE"!! Well! This thread has become broader and broader!!
first of all, i'm not even angry. i don't let what japanese or any f**king racists do, affect my view on any of their people. china is technically still labeled communist. but it's just a label. its very capitalistic by all means. the only problem i have is your continuous bs. why are you being redundant? yeah, i know a lot of chinese people who go to church too. you know what they do at church. pick up girls dumba$$. true. some of them, do believe in god. and one of them calls me up and tells me how chinese are going to f**king end the earth. you see how the bible is brainwashing chinese people. I even told him that the f**king bible doesn't list what time this might happen. funny thing about this $hit is, these idiots actually buy into everything the bible actually says. you go to the supermarket, and you read one of these ridiculous tabloid magazines and their fortune teller, fake a$$ ms. cleo says the north koreans and chinese are going to bring doom to earth or whatever. talk about paranoid. next page, three headed pregnant baby, elvis is alive, and etc. but it's not just ridiculous magazines like those, serious magazines and media publications also believe in the same thing, nytimes once jumped to conclusions and called this innocent taiwanese guy a spy for china. (ridiculous huh, especially since taiwan and china don't get along) newsweek called this korean communist guy dr. evil before he even did anything. he's supposedly just protecting his country against invasion by the US. i heard something about him saying he'd go 9/11 on the Us if they tried to invade him. isn't that just self defense? and the murders against chinese delivery guys wasn't robbery stupid. no money was taken. these were done by many different people imitating the same ****. some africans did it. some hispanics did it. all of them using a brick and they only did it to chinese people or somebody who looked chinese in their mind. different hate crimes are also done to middle eastern people and indian people who wear turbans. tell me none of this is racism and i'll laugh at you. if it wasn't racism, why don't they stuff a brick down a hispanic or white person's head huh? because they're all considered american. haven't you heard the joke of how spanish is like the second american language? if none of those things are racist, how come somebody burned my relative's business and told them to go back to CHINA. stupid. do you really think someone's going to say go back to Puerto Rico, Cuba, or whatever? that's like a tropical vacation. and how come during the whole spy plane incident, a radio show said boycott all chinese restaurants because they're evil. stupid prejudice only happens in the US. do you see how silly some of this **** is? now why did you make me reveal all this unnecessary stuff. this is going completely off topic. next topic: will be, who'll win the world series? now, look at what you made me do. because i had to write all this ****, my dinner got cold. as for dirk, he wasn't called a bust before he was drafted like yao ming. so shut the he!! up. and even with his mediocre first season, nobody on espn made fun of him like they did yao ming.
