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Either start Lin, or bring in a new starting PG, Bev ain't cuttin' it.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OldfanofTmac, Dec 13, 2013.

  1. impressivegol

    impressivegol Member

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    Lin fans shouldn't be making noise about him needing to start. Lin, thus far, has relished in the role and Lin fans should be embracing it. Our 2nd unit output would be worse off if Lin was elevated to starting 5.


    Also, the starting 5 of bev-hard-parsons-tj-dh ranks 4th in NBA in +/-.


    Personally would love an upgrade at the starting 4. (Varejao mb?) and TJ help Lin shoulder the bench load. Casspi and Garcia should be 9th/10th guys imo not 7/8
     
  2. ed_tx

    ed_tx Contributing Member

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    Just at the end of the game? When Lin came in in the first half, we made a run and ended up taking the lead at the half. Bev starts the 3rd quarter and the Blazers abused us. Lin comes back in and we make another run and get back in it. Bev starts the 4th and Portland rips off 10 unanswered points. It wasn't just dumb decisions at the end- except when Sampson kept Bev in and Portland was daring him to shoot... And he did... And he missed.... And missed again.... And again...
     
  3. FTW

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    No doubt Bev is the worst starting pg in NBA. Starting him over Lin is a shameful thing. That guy got nothing other than defend a bit, bring the ball up, give it to harden, and occasionally take one or two open 3pointer. He play like a monkey, jumping up and down. He should gives half of his wage to harden. Whatever you say, he is just not up to standard. LOF is bad, but LOH and BOF are the worst kind. With Bev, how far can rockets go? Be a fan, think about your team first.
     
  4. ed_tx

    ed_tx Contributing Member

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    Wow. While I don't agree with everything in your post I think I agree with you way more than I usually do. I totally agree that Lin coming off the bench is to appease Harden. But we just can't be successful if we keep trying to make everyone adjust to "fit" Harden's game. Jordan and Lebron could've all been guys that demanded their teams conform to their game. But what made them better and winners was trusting their teammates.

    I still think if we let Lin play like a true PG then Harden will get easier looks and actually won't have to force shots as often or work so hard.
     
  5. ed_tx

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    Wow- agreeing with you twice in a day? Oh wait- it's Fri the 13th so that might explain the weirdness. Lol

    Anyways, I knew when Sampson was announced as the acting coach and Lin was coming back, it would be a disaster for Lin. Sampson is clearly biased against Lin and he showed that last season. And yes, what he did giving TD so much run over Lin was ridiculous. Supposedly, TD was so good (and tons of LOH's agreed). Where the heck is he even playing now and what's he doing? Exactly...

    Lin isn't a superstar but he's solid. Bev makes some great plays on defense but they aren't enough to cover all of his deficiencies on offense.
     
  6. KlutchQT

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    At least be accurate if you're going to do this kind of breakdown.

    Lin came in and we made a run? When? We were tied when he entered the game mid-first quarter, and were only up by 1 at the end of Q1. Down one when he came back in Q2, and again up by only one at the half. I'm not even a person who thinks he played poorly tonight, but to characterize going from tied or down 1 to up 1 as "went on a run" -- I've never heard of maintaining the status quo referred to as a "run," but OK. And Lin was in the game in the 4th when Portland ripped off 8 of those 10 unanswered points.

    It seems your premise is --
    Lin in = great things happen
    Bev in = awful things happen

    Which would be fine, if your breakdown were factual.
     
  7. KlutchQT

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    "He play like a monkey?"

    Goodnight, on that note. I can't.
     
  8. jackycool

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    I still like Lin coming off the bench but Beverley just has to play better on the offensive end to justify his playing time, offensively he just looks so limited in what he can do and he seems to be pushing it too much. I'm not gonna say move Bev to the bench because the team is in win-now mode and has no desire in developing a Lin-Harden backcourt and Lin running the second unit is a much easier fix and a better natural fit, but Bev needs to step it up offensively.
     
  9. cdblue10

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    Just trade Lin...If he is not the player that you think he is for 8.3M just trade him and everybody will shut up!!!Hey Morey...you listening???go get it done! Package LIn for the best trade that you can make w/ Asik and be done w/ it.Rockets lose and we are blaming this guy who only play for 14 minutes,stop the hating,this guy help us to make the play off last year and people still doubted him w/ his skills!How many games did he helped us to win games?people are just ridiculous!
     
  10. gene18

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    Totally agree.
     
  11. gene18

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    Bev. started last night and we didn't win.He played 39 min.
     
  12. gene18

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    Absolutely right.
     
  13. JLFan

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    The loss tonight was in no way shape or form due to a lack of pg power. Even in Jlin was in there was no way to stop the bad defense by D12. He seemed to have stopped caring after he got into an argument with Parsons and Sampson. Even worse was all the dunks by Robin Lopez.
     
  14. gene18

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    Lin should be traded for his own sake. He is the odd man out.
     
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    Yes! That's true Basketball manifesto ranked Backcourts every month last year according to WS. Harden and Lin fluctuated between the third best and firt best in the league.
     
  16. gene18

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    Question: Why is Lin judged by his performance in all areas and Bev only in the area of Defense.? Bevs performance in the almost all other important areas for a PG's far below Lin's according to all stats and eye tests. Even when Lin plays poorly and for less or the same minutes he has better stats in very important areas that starting PG's are judged on. For example, Lillard was considered shut down by Bev. because he shoot poorly, and Bev did a very good job. Thus, Lillard effectiveness is being judged by PPG as is Bev's. Tonight he was shut down in that area by Bev. Why is Bev pretty much only judged on his defense. Shouldn't he be treated like all other point guards and judged by other measures as well. Strange isn't it !
     
  17. Gil

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    Lin definitely needs to be traded for a better guard. Beverley is great but he's playing way too many minutes. Someone like Lowry or Dragic would be perfect.
     
  18. Krizzle

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    Bev should not be taking alot of shots unless he is shooting a 3, he took like 4 mid range jays, tried to beat his man for a layup and missed and airballed one, also any layup he makes is extremely lucky imo he throws that thing up there and it goes in. He didnt make the right decisions in the Portland game.
     
  19. BigggReddd

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    Because the 8 million dollar answer is that they're not all that different as bench contributers.
     
  20. BigggReddd

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    Not denying we should go for a Deron Williams type point, but for the time being Bev is the best fit with the starters.
     

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