Jeremy Lin out 2 weeks with grade one knee sprain (UPDATE: Will return vs. Portland)

Lin's qualities is vastly different from Battier's. Lin is the type that feels the changes in the game, and run the plays that exploits these changes. He knows when and who(including himself) to turn on. He seems to spot who on opposing team is temporarily out of focus(like celebrating), and expoits him. How many times have you seen Lin run after opposing bigs, literally making them unable to turn around, and using them to completely mess up their defense. Steve Nash had it, Lin does too. I love shane, but there will never be Battiersanity.

In order to maximize Lin as a player, he need the whole team to believe in him. He need the ball in his hands at all times. We all know that is not happening. Not this year, not anytime soon. Lin is gonna have to earn that trust, like he did everywhere he played. He can start by getting all the bench players to commit to him.

The way we are using him now, he can be replaced by many many players in the league. We are a good team now, with or without Lin. But maximizing Lin could be the difference between 2nd round exits and the championship.

 

No, the correct response is that the data is inconclusive in either direction, that he is improving or declining.

*sigh*

Feel free. I usually try to qualify any data as having small sample sizes, or if it is subject to variance, or if the actual statistic in itself has inherent flaws in the methodology.

I also try to bring into play other statistical models or more common statistical procedure to corroborate my arguments.

Discussion is not bashing.

When someone says they believe Lin would be better off the bench and presents a cogent argument for why they believe it is the superior choice, then that is a hypothesis. That's not bashing Lin.

When someone says they believe Beverley's defense will decline with increasing minutes, and provides a logical reason, that's a hypothesis. That's not bashing Beverley.

If someone says, "Beverley's defense has declined" but has no supporting data, that is an assertion that demands evidence.

If someone says, "Lin's playing better off the bench" but has no supporting data, that is an assertion that demands evidence.

This is the difference between discussing *potential* future outcomes through discussion and debate versus forming a hypothesis off a flawed premise that is not supported by data.

Seriously, it's NOT that complicated.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hypothesis

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scientific+method

If you are still unclear on the difference between making a Hypothesis versus making a Statement that is NOT supported by evidence or data, please say so and I'll be happy to further clarify.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bashing

Hypothesizing is NOT bashing. Reasonable discussion is NOT bashing. Whether that is positive or negative for Beverley, Lin, Harden, Dwight or anyone else.

And given that this is a Rockets discussion board, it makes complete sense to engage in measured and reasonable discussions on individual players, the team, management decisions, and coaching.

 

Is Mchale is out for the Portland game and Sampson takes over the Lin Fans might have a caniption. Sampson leash on Jeremy is even shorter than McHale's ( if that's possible). You might not see Jeremy on the Court passed the third quarter.

 

Doesn't matter. If Lin gets benched and we lose, Sampson's gonna get shat on.

 

Er shouldnt his minutes be restricted cause thats what usually happens when a player comes back from an injury...

 

Nah, the people who are really just sick of all those posts would simply just ignore it.

If you notice, there are some new members that seem to just post to bash Lin. If those are LOHs or trolls then you have your own biases as well.

That's because they're trolls and they're lazy. They only want to do the minimum amount possible to troll people and yet so many of them fall for it.

There are trolls that pretend to be fans as well.

The fact is that the Lin posts have gone done these past 2 weeks and yet the trolls are still out trying to bash him even when he's not playing.

Good post. The fact is that a lot of people seem to zero in on a few obnoxious posters and get tricked by the trolls pretending to be fans.

And with their own preexisting biases, they get riled up and just blindly attack our own player.

 

Really glad to have JLin back this Thursday! Hope to see Smith and Asik back soon. Also, does anyone think we'll see Asik play before Dec. 19?

 

That's a very interesting prospective I never thought about.

But the thing is, Lin is good enough to lead palo atlo and harvard to win in the minior leagues, or the knicks to a nice win streak, is he good enough to lead a team handed to him to become a contender in NBA? most likely not.

 

I followed Gilbert Arenas since when he was a freshman in college. Even then his talent for greatness was so obvious. Canaan is no Arenas, not in physique and not in talent. Sorry, not even close!

 

Well, to be fair, no one believed he could lead the knicks to a nice win streak either. they all thought most likely not.

 

Thank god we have James Harden and Howard then.

 

In last season and in this season so far, in almost every game where Harden was out and Lin was asked to "fill in", stats show that Lin has played very very well.

 

Thank goodness. We are going to need him.

 

I believe we are a good team now with or without Lin.

I think what you are asking is: Lin showed us he can lead a bunch of scrubs to overachieve, but can he lead a bunch of talents and overachieve.

I don't know if Lin can. leading a group of stars is obviously much more difficult than leading the Palo Alto team as the best player. Having said that, I see no difference if the star players(Harden, Howard, Chandler) buys in Linning. The greatest difficulty is having everyone believe in Lin, like players believe in CP3. I do not see this happening anytime soon.

Lin's short term goal should just be:get the coaches to believe in him with the bench players, and structure the rotation to give him a shot. It's a difficult coaching decision cuz we are already pretty good. It not like Mchale is going to give Lin complete control over how game will be played, D'toni did it because he had no choice. I mean, Lin didn't even know any plays for crying out loud. All he knew was Novak can shoot, Chandler can finish and block shots, and Jefferies plays help D. He played on instincts alone, and with a bit of luck, Linsanity happened. Linsanity ended as soon as his complete control was taken away.

I do not doubt Lin's ability as an oncourt coach. Rudy T would have been a perfect coach for him. I do have doubts about his ability to get star players to respect him as a shot caller.

 

Can he win a championship with the scrubs on the Knicks? No. But can he "lead" a team with other more talented player? I don't see why not. Your best players aren't always your team leaders. Some guys has other worldly basketball abilities but that doesn't mean they have leadership qualities. Chauncey billups is a good example of a player that may not be the best on a team but lead the team.

By the way, what Lin did at Palo Alto wasn't some minor league stuff. They beat a big time mater dei team to win the California state championships. If you're from Cali, you know mater dei. I'd say that was pretty impressive.

 

oh damn i'm having flashbacks of CF back when sampson was coaching and we played portland last year. lol

 

and whatever happened to Lin and Asik being traded to Boston for Rondo??

 

No...

 

Hmm ... Clutchfans proposal is one notch lower than Mike Broussard multiple sources ...

 

He's not going to get benched if this happens again.



Just hope we pull off a W, don't really care who plays tbh.