This is a Morey constructing / rebuilding mode trade sure, but is that where we're at now? this obviously will hurt us more than it help us this season, and I see no reason why we should punt this season's playoff . By your theory (btw, as others pointed out the Bynum trade theory is complicated and may not work that way while I really think you misunderstood the TPE concept on the Boston one.), we use a TPE and probably Jones and a million draft pick to get probably a Kevin Love or something, and then extend Parsons, which would put us into crazy cap territory since between just those 4 we already close to the tax wall and we probably try to get a MLE guy in there too and extend Beverley on top of other guys we still need to fill out the roster. It's a interesting way to change us into the Laker / Knicks quickly but that comes with it's own set of risk as those teams demonstrate. and it is not guaranteed to work as TPE have a shelf life which you seem to be forgetting and how players / team lineup is never a guarantee, you could easily end up not getting any of the guys you want and end up with the TPE expiring while essentially ending up trading Asik and Lin for Ersan and a late 1st. which would be a fair value loss in most liklihood and almost certainly hurt the team badly in it's current window. I feel in most likelihood, as Morey have hinted at in interviews as well, he's probably moved into a new stage and is not going to be working in the same mode as previous, which you seem to be still assuming.
I should note for example, that the Cavs had a huge trade exception letting Lebron go, but then completely fail to land a player with it, letting it expire for nothing, this happens A LOT in TPE, so I am rather skeptical of any trade plan built around the concept of turning TPE into stuff, because it could easily mess up.
The way Hawes is playing, is he really only worth Motiejunas? It would be hilarious to see Philly lose a Bynum trade twice.
Bynum going back to Philly is not about them losing a Bynum trade again. It's about using their cap space and giving them something in return...DMo. There is a new rule in the cba that says teams have to spend out 90% of the cap. 90% of the cap is $52.8 million. Philly is currently sitting at $47.77 million with a couple million of that being non-guaranteed. If the season ended today, Philly would have to take over $5 million and divvy it up to those guys. So, they're gonna have to pay out the money. The only question is how are they gonna pay it out. That's where using their cap space comes into play and that's where sending them cash and picks to use their cap space comes into play. Once again, just as I told you a couple years ago, Bynum is done. His contract is not about him playing. It's about giving Philly assets to use their cap space. Someone mentioned Hawes being worth more than DMo. I suppose that's very possible. I don't know what the demand for big men is right now besides knowing that Washington traded a mostly 2014 lottery protected first rounder for Gortat's expiring deal. I don't know that I would consider Hawes a better get than Gortat. DMo is a second year guy drafted in the 20's that's shown some potential. Perhaps Philly wants more because we are using their cap space as well as getting Hawes. Maybe we'd have to throw in our 2014 pick?? (That would explain the necessity of getting back a first rounder for Asik.) But the point is acquiring Bynum would not be about losing a trade. If we got Bynum and Sacramento's pick for Asik and then we flipped Bynum later on...it would simply be about getting back usable stuff and making other trades work by using his contract...not about the other team losing a deal. I would think if we traded for Bynum that we would most likely just tell him to stay home and never join us. Or at best make it look like we are interested in him by bringing him to town and letting him sit in the whirlpool and "rehab" so we can then trade him 60-90 days later without trouble from the league office. Ultimately if Bynum is traded to a team like Philly I would expect they would cut him after the trade deadline or perhaps just hold him for his contract value as a large non-guaranteed salary until July of 14.
Wouldn't that be nice??? But frankly I don't see it happening. If it does, great. But just not realistic. From Doc Rocket's tweet we can say confidently that Milwaukee is willing to move Ilyasova and the price is reasonable. I suspect that price is Jeremy Lin since they need a playmaking point guard so badly. (No Brandon Knight is not that playmaking point guard they need so badly. Brandon Knight is a combo tweener guard who is on the verge of being a bust.) You guys that want Henson...I'm with you on that too. But once again just don't think that's realistic. He's a second year guy that has shown something early. If Morey were able to pull either alphabet or henson it would be a miracle.
Yeah lots of TPE's expire unused. That's true. But it's a substantial asset anyways for teams that are over the cap. My thoughts on getting a big TPE by flipping Bynum were this: IF Hawes walked away for a large contract we could possibly turn that into a sign-and-trade this offseason and generate a fresh TPE. The way to use a TPE is to keep flipping it until it can actually be used. If Hawes decides he wants to play close to home in Portland then they've got to generate a sign-and-trade for him. We can use that as an opportunity to flip the TPE. TPE's are about giving over the cap teams trade flexibility and allowing them to trade small salaries for big salaries.
But you think trading for Bynum and then trading him to Philly is more realistic Don't forget Morey traded for Robinson last year. Morey has a history of trading for players off of other teams benches. He likes hunting for diamonds in the rough.
Trading Bynum to Philly is not about Philly getting Bynum for Philly. For Philly it's about what they can get by allowing a team to use their cap space. Young talent, picks, cash. Once again, Philly has another $5+ million they have to spend. They are required to spend that cap space. So if they can spend that cap space while having other teams give them cash to do it so it costs them very little to fulfill the 90% obligation AND they get young talent/picks out of it.....AND the trade makes them less competitive right now so they are better lottery positioned....that's a winner for Philly. Not saying it's going to happen. I'm saying Philly has cap space and they are most likely going to use it in some manner by taking on dead expiring salary in deals for cash and picks/talent. Similar to what Utah did this last off season.
Asik, Lin, and 1st round pick to Boston Rondo, Motiejunas, Humphries to New York Melo to Houston PG: Beverley / Brooks / Canaan SG: Harden / Garcia SF: Parsons / Casspi / Brewer PF: Melo / Jones / Covington C: Howard / Smith / Camby
GM: Rockets Have 'Delusional' Asking Price For Omer Asik The Houston Rockets are seeking a trade of Omer Asik, but they have struggled in finding a package that merits his on-court value due to his $15 million salary for next season. Asik will only count $8.4 million against the cap, but the salary is beyond his fair market value. One rival general manager described the asking price of Daryl Morey and the Rockets as "delusional." Asik requested a trade in the middle of November when it became clear that he would be unable to share floor time with Dwight Howard. Source: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken-berger/24300809/black-friday-shopping-list-top-10-trade-candidates
Asik doesn't have that type of value, replace Waiters with Miles and maybe Cleveland will pick up the phone.
What?! Asik is worth a lot more than Waiters, that guy is a straight up TURD. I wouldn't trade a bag of chips for Waiters.
Or replace Varejao with Bynum... Bynum + Waiters + 2nd round pick for Asik... The Rockets can dump Bynum if they feel he will be useless and they can get Camby back. The true prize would be Waiters...
Yeah that is a fair deal also. There is no way they give us both Varejao/Waiters for Asik. The question is who would you rather have Varejao/Miles or Waiters/Bynum?
Waiters... No matter how good I think Harden can be, I would love to have insurance for him. Plus he's small enough to guard point guards and big enough to guard shooting guards. I also wouldn't mind if Morey could get Waiters and flip him to Chicago for Tony Snell and Charlotte's first round pick or their 2nd. Plus I think Bynum could be useful.
I know I will get flamed for this but what about Asik/Lin/Dmo for Gay/Ross? We add 2 athletic wings and gain tremendous depth on the wing with Harden/Ross/Garcia/Parsons/Gay. We can throw out a lot of lineups and become the most versatile team in the NBA. pg:Bev/Brooks sg:Harden/Ross sfarsons/Garcia pf:Jones/Gay cwight/?FA Make Rudy Gay our 6th man off the bench. Gay is having a horrible season but I think a change of scenery and playing with guys like Harden/Dwight/Parsons would take the pressure off him and he can play like he did in Memphis. There is no doubt if we made this trade we would be the most athletic team in the NBA. Our late game 4th qrt lineup would be... Bev Harden Parsons Gay Dwight
Gay is a certified shot chunker and can shoot a team out of a game... Him and DeRozan is a horrible combination. But Toronto just paid Lowry and their big man is playing well. So I don't see them taking on that $30 million worth of contract for Asik and Lin. I think it would be hard for Morey to trade those two together.
