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Chron: Yao Ming loses Rookie of the Year to Stoudemire

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ShanghaiShark, Apr 23, 2003.

  1. Buck Naked

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    Actually, if you watch both teams, jump, you'd see that both players saw more double and triple teams than most rookies. Yao saw them as soon as he started producing big numbers and Amare had to adjust to them after posting a couple solid games.
     
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    yao is doubled before he even touches the ball half. and this is when hes getting his inlet pass closer to the 3 line that the basket. ive watched both games this series so far, and ive hardly seen amare doubled at all. if anything only when he comes across the paint to throw up the nastiest looking hook ever.
     
  3. Buck Naked

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    "yao is doubled before he even touches the ball half. and this is when hes getting his inlet pass closer to the 3 line that the basket. ive watched both games this series so far, and ive hardly seen amare doubled at all."

    I don't think you've been watching the series that intently. Amare's been swarmed in the middle whenever the ball gets anywhere near him. He's been getting his shots with more than two hands in his face every time.

    Again -- I think it's great that everyone like Yao. You should. But let's keep the Amare analysis accurate.
     
  4. jli

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    I blame the bladder cancer.
     
  5. VesceySux

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    I wonder if the other Rockets (and of course, one certain assistant-coach-turned-head-coach) feel guilty about Yao missing out on this award. They ain't exactly blame-free for allowing this travesty to occur...

    CUTTINO: "I'm... um... sorry, Yao. Hey! Let me buy you a lap dance to make up for it!"

    GRIFFIN: "Hey Yao. Sorry about that whole ROTY thing. I've got just the thing to take your mind off of it, though. Let me go get Mo..."

    STEVE: "I'm sorry, man. I feel awful about that. Did I ever tell you about my ROTY trophy? Oh, right... Well, maybe another time. Tell you what. Let me buy you some James Coney Island and a solid gold rocket car. I'm sure you'll feel better..."

    CATO: "CATO... SMASH VOTERS.... CATO MAAAAAAD!!!"

    MOOCHIE: "Sorry about the dribbling in a circle thing. On the bright side, though, you'll be able to play by my side until 2007!"
     
  6. Easy

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    If you look at the season-long numbers alone, Yao should win it no matter how you cut them. He is better in every catagory except rpg by a fraction. And we haven't even consider that fact that Yao and the Rockets played better head to head against Amare and the Suns. He should at least get the co-ROY.

    The only things that Amare is better are:

    1. His flashy dunks
    2. Playing better at the end
    3. Making the playoffs (by one game)

    None of these reasons are valid criteria for ROY, which is supposed to reflect the player's performance in the ENTIRE REGULAR SEASON.

    So it comes down to the only REAL reason: THEY ARE TERRIBLY BIASED. And it also proves that the conspiracy theorists are wrong. David Stern doesn't fix these awards for marketing purposes.

    Heck, I agree with those who say that ROY is no big deal.
     
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  7. Buck Naked

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    I don't think that's accurate, Easy. Yao may have a few more FG percentage points than Amare and a little more in terms of blocks, but Amare did better in rebounds and steals. You make it sound like Yao has a clear-cut advantage over Amare statistically, and that's just not the case.

    In fact, in the two categories that matter most for a power player -- ppg and rpg -- they were tied in one and Amare had the advantage in the other.
     
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    Yao Ming played soft down the stretch and I think Stoudmire certainly was a more exciting player in the past season, esp. when it counts.
     
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    If we have to blame someone besides Yao Ming, L Smith is the one since he failed to put Yao in during garbage time to get more shots.
     
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    It should have been Co-ROY, because they put up about the same numbers. Amare is going to be great though, I don't mind him winning the award. Not Garrett or Kobe put up numbers like Amare in there 1st seasons.
     
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    Yao Ming is better in almost in every catagory by a fraction.

    The only argument you can make is FT% where Yao has a decisive advantage over Amare.

    The bottom line is they had very similar seasons stats-wise. ROY could have gone either way. Yao Ming getting embarrased by Shaq and Duncan late in the season on national TV definitely didn't help.

    You can blame the coach or guards of the Rockets but it would sound like sour grape to me if you keep complaining about media hype (Amare had more media hype? give me a break!) or even the voters.
     
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    Talking about numbers, you gugs ignore the most important number--- effeciency, which show Yao is a more effective player that Amare on the court regardless less playing min.


    Amare Stoudemire
    effeciency + 15.40

    Yao Ming
    effeciency + 17.65
     
  14. Easy

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    You said it. Most of the catagories are by a fraction. The only DECISIVE catagories are in Yao's favor. Who is clearly better by the numbers?

    I agree that Yao's performance on national TV late in the season maybe the downer. But the voters should know better than judging players on a couple of games on TV, shouldn't they?
     
  15. Easy

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    You forget another category that matter most for a power player: bpg. Another important catagory for inside player, which is often overlooked, is ft% because power players tend to get fouled a lot.
     
  16. DavidS

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    Amare won for two reasons.

    The dunk is hyped more.

    And he's in the playoffs ( the media have short memories).

    "What have you done for me latley?"

    Yao will remind them next year...

    And they will all be lining up to kiss his a... :mad:
     
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    What do you mean by this?! That it was the cancer that took Rudy away so the rocks missed the playoffs? or it's Rudy's fault yao didnt get ROY?
     
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    One reason to explain:

    Rudy down, then: Larry Smith
     
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    You could blame Mr. Mean for this all you want. Mr. Mean is biggest screw up.
     
  20. Yetti

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    The East Valley Tribune is a Phoenix Newspaper!! :eek:
     

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