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Mchales treatment of Lin

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by lid1013, Nov 20, 2013.

  1. DL24

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    *applause

    look at this voice of reason we have over here!
     
  2. tomato123

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    Why Bev can't slow down Ellis if he's so great defender like you said?

     
  3. dobro1229

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    1 game folks. Lin is still averaging 31 minutes a game, and putting up career numbers. Is it that hard for Lin fans to admit that he simply just had a bad game??

    Look....

    -the Mavs run nothing but high pick and rolls with Dirk
    -Jeremy has a history of being a bad pick and roll defender(one of biggest areas of improvement to work on)
    -Bev has a history of fighting through screens to stay with his man
    -Jeremy couldn't hit the broad side of a barn
    -The Rockets offense wasn't the problem

    Do Lin fans just want me to say it.... yes JEREMY LIN IS BETTER THAN BEVERLEY overall, but he's not better than Beverley on defense at least in the pick and roll.

    Game over, the Rockets still couldn't stop the Mavs, and Jeremy Lin will ride again Saturday night against the Timberwolves. Now is that too much to handle or do we all need to just keep b****ing like reality TV Housewives????
     
  4. yummyhawtsauce

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    Nice post :)
     
  5. Apache

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    great coaching i say lol
     
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    it's on the coaches to preach and enforce structure and discipline both on offense and defense and it's obviously not happening.

    some posters say that Mchale wants to push the ball up so whoever rebounds brings it upcourt as quickly as possible. but even on set plays, everyone seems to want to be the ball handler or the one to set up and make the highlights or stats. at this point, no one seems to want to think team first before self on the Rockets, and that is mostly an offshoot of the way Mchale and his coaches keep on sending mixed signals, virtually ignoring discipline and tolerating mistakes such as laziness. this is the only reason for the crunch time losses, the blown double digit leads, and the uninspired and erratic play during certain stretches.
     
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    well said, brutal but that was the reality for the MAVS game, and those are very logical points.

    the only things is, I doubt Mchale is able to analyze like you have because for the past few seasons, most of his coaching decisions seem to be based on "feel" alone.
     
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    No one said Lin does not have a bad game. The compliant is Coach never treated Lin fairly.

    When Lin shoot 0-5, he played 17 minutes.
    When Bev shoot 1-10, he played 34 minutes.

     
  10. bws

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    Clutch doesn't seem to like Lin's game for some reason and likes Beverley. Also seems Clutch may favor Lin being traded but I don't want to speak for him.
     
  11. DL24

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    it came from him playing lights out and putting up all world numbers
     
  12. yummyhawtsauce

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    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
     
  13. bws

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    Not for reasonable Lin fans. I agree with you. He didn't have it in the Mavs game. So he sits while his team mates try to win the game. I think he's due for a hot streak from 3, he hasn't shot the 3 well since the Phily game and he'll be back to himself on Saturday. No need to get all crazy over one game. I do think he's trying to limit his turnovers and facilitate more. I think Lin is trying that balance of being aggressive but not out of control to not make bone-head turnovers and get other guys going sometimes because at least the getting other guys going is a big part of his game. He's also not falling as much when he drives and doing more short and mid-range jump shots opposed to taking it to the rim so he's diversifying his game. Go Rockets.
     
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    Maybe, but it should be noted that McHale is surrounded by 3 very good, very smart assistant coaches, and a whole slew of analytical thinking basketball minds in the front office.

    Maybe McHale is trumping everyone, throwing both middle fingers up, and saying "I do what I want" (Cartman voice of course), but you'd have to think that at some point, people around him are influencing the situation with a little bit of thought put into it.

    If it was truly a huge mistake to play Bev instead of Lin in a game where you needed your best pick and roll defense in the game, I'm pretty sure it will be corrected at some point in the future. In the meantime, I just wish that Lin would simply not get burned as often on defense so it makes the decision much easier for the coaches to make.

    As great as Lin has been offensively this year, I have a hard time believing the trust from the coaches has ANYTHING to do with that end of the court. Perimeter defense IS the bugaboo of this team this year. Lin has a chance here to really solidify himself as a leader on this team by setting an example. I'm hoping him and Harden have a come to Jesus moment and really turn this thing around defensively.
     
  15. DL24

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    We have to clear up this misconception of Lin being bad on defense. This year, he has been pretty good, but man to man and in the PnR. If you watch most of the games, the number of times Lin actually gets scored on directly is minimal. When he is involved in a defensive breakdown, often times its another player caught in no man's land and Lin has to help
     
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    I actually think he was due for a cold streak. What was he shooting... 45% before Wednesday's game? We all knew he couldn't keep up those ridiculous numbers.

    Lin trying to do anything is what gets him in trouble. He's at his best when he has a clear mind and just lets it fly. That's why coming in as a 6th man is such a great role for him. Stop over-thinking the game, and just go crazy.
     
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    I agree. The more people 'say' that Lin's defense is bad, the more people will believe it without even checking actual stats. Plus people have a tendency to focus more on Lin's negatives than Bevs, rightly so since Lin has always been scrutinized and judged.

    meow.
     
  18. dobro1229

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    He does a very good job of staying in front of his man, and rotates well. Has a hard time forcing bad shots though, and still struggles in the pick and roll. Relies too much on help defense.

    Lin is better than his stigma at defense, but his faults get tripled when playing alongside Harden and Parsons who are also - defenders most of the time.

    Thats why the coaches probably like the Lin/Bev/Garcia bench rotation so much. That Lin/Harden/Parsons lineup is very problematic on the defensive end. You can hide 1 or 2 bad defenders but not 3.... especially when they are on your front line.
     
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    Actually, this part is debatable.

    At the end of the 3rd quarter, the score was 101-89.

    Up to the end of the 3rd quarter

    The Rockets were scoring 33.6 points per quarter
    The Mavs were scoring 29.6 points per quarter

    At the end of the 4th quarter, the score was 120-123

    The Rockets scored 19 points
    The Mavs scored 34 points

    So you tell me? Was the problem in the 4th quarter offense or defense? Yes, they scored more points in the 4th quarter vs the previous 3 (1 point). However, we scored far less than the previous 3 quarter pace.

    At the end of the 1st half, the score was 68-61.
    In the 2nd half the Rockets scored 52, the Mavs scored 62.

    So, what I see just eyeballing these numbers is that either in the 4th quarter the Mavs had a superior defensive game plan and our offensive adjustments were bad, or our shooting went cold at the wrong time.

    While on the defensive end, any adjustments we made had nominal impact.

    Was this partially attributable to Lin only playing 7m/24m in the 2nd half and only 3:01 in the 4th quarter? We'll never know. Some will argue Lin would have made it worse, or had no impact, or made it better.

    File it under hypothetical.

    However, if you're scoring poorly and the opposing team is scoring well I don't think the decision is as clear cut as some are arguing on either side.
     
  20. bws

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    I agree, he over thinks though he's done less of that this season. But I'm not tied into the 6th man thing because I know he can do a lot with Howard if given the chance and Howard plays on the starting unit. I also want to see him more with TJ. But, when he goes crazy it'll be what the defense gives him, and not forcing things otherwise it results in avoidable TOs.
     

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