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No call on Harden

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ginsengtx, Nov 21, 2013.

  1. ginsengtx

    ginsengtx Member

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    Does anyone have a clip or gif of that no call? I'm in some heated debates about it and I guess they didn't show it on ESPN. It would be much appreciated.
     
  2. Sean Dr34ms

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    The intentional foul by Marion at the end?
    If so, I'm in the same discussion with a Mav's friend of mine.
     
  3. JayGoogle

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    The last Marion one where he actually tried to foul Harden and then backed off when he realized that Harden was shooting?
     
  4. jacoby

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    Whoever is debating you is probably saying that our god-awful perimeter defense and lack of a closer in the 4th quarter is the reason we lost tonight's game.

    They would be correct.
     
  5. ginsengtx

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    The debate is that it was a foul either way, maybe not a shooting foul but a foul none the less.
     
  6. SunsRocketsfan

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    No way it was a foul. Harden tried too hard to sell the flop rather than focus on making the shot.
     
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  7. houston#1

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    if it was played in Houston, it would have been a different story.
     
  8. JayGoogle

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    Marion actually TRIED to foul Harden.
     
  9. shastarocket

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    I don't know if his lazy swiping defense is more frustrating or his determination to get and exaggerate contact any chance he gets. You are a good shooter...trust your shot and let it fly!

    There is a reason why Paul George got the call and Harden didn't.
     
  10. htownbandit

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    If any of you have any questionable calls (with the time left and everything) you guys should tweet it to @bballsource with #courtcall I don't have time to do that with school stuff and whatnot lol but Coach Nick has some great insight.
     
  11. Blaster_333

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    It is what it is, all teams get the shaft one way or another throughout the season. Key is to not get yourself in that position to begin with, especially when you had the upper hand the whole game.

    To blame the refs is to put less emphasis on why they really lost that game. And well all know those reasons by know.

    It's just a personal opinion of mind so hopefully no one takes offense, but i've always seen blaming the refs as a loser-mentality. Focus on what you can control, effort and defense for example.
     
  12. johnnytsunami

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    Problem was Harden tried to sell the foul more than he tried to make the shot. He definitely embellished the contact, even though there was contact.

    Terrible shot selection, regardless.
     
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    Pops wishes he could draw a play like this. :cool:
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    Seriously I feel for Harden, if only he had a Coach that could draw up a nice play to get a nice look in crunch time.
     
  15. MaxRider

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    it's a foul if ref is doing their job
    both of his hands were on haren
     
  16. JayGoogle

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    Probably because the refs swallowed the whistle for Houston at the end?

    No foul on Howard as he's mugged in the paint? No foul on Harden? No foul on Beverly (even if that foul would have been on the floor?)

    I don't think he tried to exaggerate the shot. He understood the situation that Dallas could win the game by simply fouling (which Marion tries) so he has to put up a wild shot and goes in or gets fouled on the floor which would have ended the game.
     
  17. JayGoogle

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    See it wasn't terrible shot selection, because Dallas was going for the foul that would have sealed the game. He had to chuck it up ala Melo and hope they call for continuation or he makes the shot.

    The dumb shot was the one before with 40+ secs on the clock and he threw it up, although I think the Rockets were doing their silly 2 for 1 mess that never works.
     
  18. johnnytsunami

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    Should've clarified. Terrible shot selection because if you're going to try and get the foul call, you need to at least try to make the shot first (Melo did just that and actually made it, even if it was mostly luck and didn't count). Don't leave the game in the hands of the refs, because more often than not you'll get screwed (like Houston did for most of crunch time). Not to mention Harden clearly pushed off to get open in the first place and no offensive foul was called. Refs usually swallow the whistle on the last play unless it's absolutely egregious.
     
  19. JayGoogle

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    How much more blatant could it have been? We are arguing if that is a foul or not, not if they should have left the game in the hands of the refs or whatever.

    As for the push off he HAS to do that because the Refs for whatever reason don't care what you do on a inbounds play. Marion could have literally tackeled him to the court and they would not have called it. We saw earlier where Nash barehugs Lin and that freed up Blake for the open three.

    If you agree that it is a foul then you don't know how that affected his jumpshot. he had two hands on him so that's likely when Harden just jumps and shoot. I don't think he's worried at that point in trying to set his feet and shoot properly...he's trying to get a continuation shot because if he wastes more time trying to get a better look MArion will just wrap him up and end the game.

    Also the Paul George situation was entirely diff for the person that mentioned it. As the Knicks were up by 3.
     
  20. johnnytsunami

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    I do agree that it's a foul (though I think it'd be on the ground and not continuation if it were called) and Harden's jumpshot would inevitably be hindered somewhat. However, that doesn't discount the fact that he didn't even try to to make the shot. Sure, he's going for the continuation, but you don't have to set your feet to at least follow through -- which happened because he tried to embellish the contact and get the call.
     

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