[ClutchFans] Rockets to begin season with Beverley, Asik as starters; Jeremy Lin off bench

my suggestion for substitution pattern would be followed:

Harden and Lin starts. Lin takes a break at 6 min of 1st with Beverley in. Harden gets his break at 10 min of 1st with Lin back on court. so total in the 1st, harden plays 10 min. Lin plays 8 min and Beverley has 6 min.

in 2nd, Lin and Bev start. Harden comes back at 4 min of 2nd for Lin. Lin takes a short break and subs in for Beverley around 8 min mark of 2nd or depends on how rox is doing. If not doing good, Lin can get in at 7 min mark for Beverley, 1 min earlier than normal. Harden and Lin finish 2nd. in some special cases, Beverley can get in around 10 min mark of 2nd for pf (means we go small). so total in 2nd will be 8 min for Harden, 8 min for Lin, 8 min for Beverley.

to add both 2 qts together, there are 18 min for Harden, 16 for Lin, and 14 min for Beverley. I believe it is very reasonable.

 

Sarcasm meter in dire need of tuneup.

 

Maybe because the team is full of geriatrics.

 

The funny thing is Beverley is overrated defensively and underrated offensively. He would do fine on the second unit, especially since either Lin or Harden plays with the second unit anyways.

 

While I agree that McHale seems terrible at minutes management, I think there is more to it than that. I think some strategic decisions were made over the summer, particularly with Bev starting and Lin coming off the bench, and that McHale is adhering to those strategy decisions.

This could have to do with:

-people in the organization being high on Bev (there were reports of that over the summer)

-setting up for minimum disruption if Lin has to be traded for an all-star type player (depending on incoming salary, he essentially has to be included in some trades)

-providing Lin an excuse to play all out when he comes into the game by moving him a little from under Harden's shadow,

-adding Beverley's on-ball defense to the twin towers lineup

-Beverley's deficiencies as an offensive player leading the bench

-Harden's deficiencies as a defensive player at the start of games

-and probably other things I'm not currently thinking of.

With a 3 guard rotation, Bev/Harden is a lineup that will be playing significant minutes. Slotting them at the beginning of games is not necessarily irrational.

 

Minutes management--- is there an app for that? If there isn't, there should be. It would be dead simple to write. List all the players, click the screen when they come in or go out, show possible substitutions, minutes played. Allow initial constraints so it can suggest when players have been in too long. Blink yellow at him when he is being stupid at playing someone too long. Play Justin Bieber when he is being very stupid.

We hand ipads to players when recruiting. Why can't we hand an ipad to him.

 

Of all the scenario, the one that makes most sense is the one where they move Lin before the trade deadline. If he is not traded by then, expect him to be back in the starting lineup.

 

lol you guys see how aggressive Jonathan Feigen is tweeting about Lin's performance? is Rocket trying to shop Lin?

 

And yet, Feigen reports things like coach McHale asking Asik if he was ready to play and Asik saying no. Things the Rockets would just as soon not have be reported. It's almost like Feigen doesn't even work for the Rockets.

Oh, wait, Feigen doesn't work for the Rockets. He's...I'm not sure, I think it is called a "reporter".

 

Incredibly rational, well thought out, and poignant analysis, would like to quote it one more time in case someone misses it.

thank you

 

Truth.

 

Nothing wrong with singing the praises of our 6th man extraodinaire.

 

No I actually don't want to use that data at all, but it is incomplete/limited in value. What I want is for you to stop manipulating statistics to make points and stop ignoring contradictory evidence. I was simply trying to show you how I could use the same tricks to make it look the complete opposite of the point you were trying to make.

Actually you kinda did. Maybe you didn't use the word deserve, but you implied as much below.

But hey, if you didn't join this forum just for Lin, then I apologize, although you should know that since you claim to be a NY fan, joined in 2012 and constantly post about Lin, it appears that you are.

It is not that simple.

That stretch four lineup (focusing on Casspi since it performed the best) lineup is a unit McHale uses when the opposing teams take their defensive bigs out the game, which allows the drive and kick style of offense to work. That is why it has been effective and shows great +/- numbers.

That lineup with Casspi derived its success against the Toronto Raptors, during a stretch in which their best big man (Jonas) was off the floor.

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20131111&game=TORHOU

And again with the Mavs when their big men Dirk/Dalembert left the floor

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20131101&game=DALHOU

They used with success against the Knicks as well who have no big men.

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20131114&game=HOUNYK

They used it with success against the Blazers when Robin Lopez left the floor.

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20131105&game=HOUPOR

They used it with success against the Cats when Biyombo left the floor.

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20131030&game=CHAHOU

You cannot just blindly point to lineup +/- numbers and just claim that is the best lineup. That completely oversimplifies the game and dumbs down basketball discussion. There are few, if any, examples of that lineup working with the opposing defensive in the game which would happen with just about every opposing starting lineup.

Sigh, you still don't get it.

The point is the data points are BUNK. It is ten games of data with shifting lineups and matchups.

You cannot draw any worthwhile conclusions from this, at all.

And yes I DO HAVE AN AGENDA. It is exposing bad reasoning based on limited data. You can want Lin to start all day, I don't care, what bothers me is the blatant misuse of data to justify that position.

I have no problem subbing in Lin/Casspi when the opposing defensive big exits the game. Ideally Harden/Howard rack up fouls early on them and we can exploit that match up advantage sooner.

I am sorry you chose to ride out your bad argument to this level. I don't like exposing people who don't know what they are talking about, especially you, since you seem to be an alright guy.

In the future please recognize the limitations of this data and look closer at how/why that lineup is successful.

 

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hmmm that Black and Red Jersey

 

lee for career high

 

Sigh... I get it. If the data supported your opinion you would be clinging onto it for dear life.

 

OMFG!

How can a guy with so many green bars under his name be THIS stupid?

I'm putting him on ignore ASAP before he dumbs me down any further

 

The misuse of statistics and taking statistics out of context has been a frequently used tool of the LOF and Lars is simply pointing that out. It's been fairly obvious to any reader here. Your inability to grasp that isn't his fault. Lars is a pretty intelligent poster in my experience and your calling him stupid just makes you look, well, ignorant and silly but carry on.

 

This thread probably doesn't need to be a sticky anymore. The Lin/Bev discussion has died down, the TT experiment is over and Asik definitely isn't starting.