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Can some one tell me what Eddie Griffen is good for?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hikanoo49, Mar 24, 2003.

  1. hikanoo49

    hikanoo49 Member

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    Interesting thought. Let me elaborate a bit more.

    If you look at the BRUTE type big guys over the course of their careers, there games had to evolve to compete. Afterall, it is tough banging against guys 10 years younger than you if your 35. You get the point...

    On the other hand, skilled players like Bird, Mchale, Kareem, Parrish etc. did not rely on their physical attributes/athleticism to excel therefore had a longer career. Consequently, they were able to play at a higher level for a long period of time.

    I am suprised that you disagree with this. Obviously, there are exceptions but it is fairly accurate as a general rule of thumb.
     
  2. hikanoo49

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    Also, I think the qualifier for our disagreement is "perform at a high level over the course of their careers". Granted, Oakley is definitely a brute and is still playing but he has not played at a high level for years.

    However, I do agree with you on Moses Malone.
     
  3. run-bdp

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    Eddie is struggling because we have Yao. He has had to make the biggest adjustments out of anybody on our team.

    How much do we complain that our guards won't look to Yao in the post? It seems they do so for a bit and then go ape because they feel the urge to pound the ball into the floor and show how they can break sopmebody's ankles.

    Since Yao came along, Eddie became a secondary post-up option. Since we can't even get the guards to consistently go inside to Yao (who is the primary option), Eddie sees this. WATCH THE GAME! He posts up and works hard for position. Of course, if he had some more meat on him it would help his cause.

    Eddie is young and gets tired of posting up for naught since he gets no post up looks. So he floats outside and jacks threes.

    Eddie has game. Remember last year when he torcked LA Lakers for 25?

    Time is on his side. Post men are projects at this age. Factor in the adjustment to Yao and from small ball to real b-ball, Eddie suffers the most. I would not give up on the kid.

    Although the boy does need to hit the weight room desperately.
     
  4. ILuvEddie33

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    Agree wit u all da way!!!! but he did gain weight during the off season remember he used to weight 225 now he weights 232lbs!
     
  5. Steve Phrancis

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    Eddie thinks he is an off guard. I say we setup some catch and shoot plays while he runs baseline (just to get open to take his 3 point shot). He reminds me of one of those 7 foot guys that you create on the console gaming systems (I understand that he is 6'10"), that can shoot 3 pointers, then create 5'10" guys that can thunderdunk.

    He really doesn't have a low post game and you can't call his outside game any better. 20 or 30, he may grow mentally, but has to realize the closer you get to the basket the higher percentage the shot is, unless you are Jay Williams. Then again, his 3pt avg is only half what his free throw avg is.
     
  6. Gene the PIG

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    I don't care what ANY of you dumbfuxx say ... He AIN'T worth a squirt of piss.

    I only post when it matters, & I know more about the fugging ROX then most of you whining women.

    He is MEDIOCRE @ BEST!


    Ride his ass out, & we're looking up for the next 3 years, or until he shakes like a tree & leaves.


    He was a waste. Admit it, & resume holding yer dikk in your hand.


    See you in a year. :rolleyes:
     
  7. Newgirl

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    What post up game? Sorry I has yet to see the post up game you mentioned EG has. If he really has, we would have used it now. Mo Taylor has no problem getting post up looks with Yao on the floor at the same time. And why do the guards have to look for someone who has no post up game and cannot even shoot over 40% of wide open shots?
     
  8. KeepKenny

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    I'll reply to each of your "options".

    1. Eddie stays the same.

    This is the least likely scenario. Looking at what he has done in the past, (highschool player of the year, and basically dominated college ball as a freshman) it's obvious that his biggest problem at this point is the physical adjustment. right now, his body is just not quite ready to bang against these full grown men. Merely getting stronger will help him greatly. He might even look like your preferable "enforcer".

    2. Becomes a 13/8/2 player.

    In my book these are pretty darn good stats for any player. there are not many players like this in the league, much less ones that are available And since everyone knows how Eddie is so crappy, who would trade us a player like that for him? Can you name any players with these types of stats that we could get for eddie right now?

    3. Jermaine O'neal like.

    Well, we drafted him with hopes he would be that good. With the arrival of Yao however, we probably wouldnt be able to keep him. but that doesnt mean we cant trade him for whoever we want or need. kinda depends if les will go over the luxury tax.

    4. 11/9/2

    well, these stats arent too bad either considering Eddie would not be a first option. Double doubling shotblockers also are not a worthless commodity. wow, a smart player, with his skills and hustle would be a great fit for this team. I wanna hear which fabled players like this are so easy to come by. just give me some names. since there are so many, just name a few.

    finally, you maintain that Eddie's style does not, or never will compliment Yao and Steve. I don't know how many times i can disagree with this. A tall (and stronger in the future), shotblocking, rebounding machine, who also has an outside shot sounds like a perfect fit to me. But it sounds like you just want a "bruiser", a tough guy. I don't see how adding a player like that today would instantly translate to more wins, especially when we already have Cato.
     
  9. Newgirl

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    We could have had Rashard Lewis and kept Kenny Thomas.
     
  10. hikanoo49

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    Thanks for your prompt reply.

    From the sound of it, you feel that:

    1. If he stays the same

    we get screwed. agreed? I agree with you that this is unlikely though.

    2. 13/8/2 (Rashard/Tim Thomas like)

    Will you really be excited over this kind of #s as you say? Remember, we gave up 3 first round picks for him and we waited for his developed for a Rashard/Tim Thomas type player? As Newgirl also brought up, whats worse is that we could have had Rashard for Eddie straight up. So I think it is safe to say that most fans and management will be somewhat dissapointed.

    3. Jermaine Oneal

    You agreed that if he did develop into a Oneal, we will most likely not be able to keep him. So we essentially gain 1 good year out of the guy and trade bait. We could have had Rashard or Shareef Abdul Rahim now... How much better of a package do you think we can get later??? KG, Duncan?? I dont think so.. Especially with our salary cap issues... We will probably get a 2nd tier type player back like Rashard/Shareef or a few role players and draft picks...

    4. 11/9/2 better Robert Horry

    It seems that you would be thrilled with these #'s. And if he does play smart with HIGH BB IQ, I can say that we did OK with Eddie. But it is still debatable if it was worth waiting 3 years for a Horry clone especially one that we traded 3 draft picks for.

    So when you look at these options and your responses, from a RISK/REWARD FACTOR, we are much better off getting rid of him now. Chances are, we will lose out if we keep him and even if he pans out, we will not get much more in trade value than what we were already offered (Rashard/Rahim).


    So in conclusion, we (rockets) are in a very unique situation. Not many organizations have 2 young all stars (potential franchise type players) on the same team at such a young age. We are in a position where we do not need to GAMBLE or take an exorbinant amount of risks in order to seek a high payoff (ex. Cleveland) since we already have our cornerstones built. With that said, I do not believe taking the gamble on Eddie right now is a good strategy (especially from what we have seen thus far from a "fit" standpoint) and the risk/award factor that I mentioned above.

    Again, this is not to say Eddie will not be a great player. Afterall, he does have a chance to become a Jermaine Oneal type (although very unlikely in my opinion) but that risk SHOULD be taken by lesser teams that have NOTHING TO LOSE and EVERYTHING TO GAIN (Cleveland, Denver etc.).
     
  11. hikanoo49

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    sorry.. there is more..


    Also, teams like Cleveland and Denver will/should be able to sign him to the max IF he did ever become like a Oneal... So that and the fact that they have little talent now justifies the risk they may wish to take...
     
  12. wafim

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    Eddie sucks...his shot is as flat as any i've ever seen...he's weak down low and his shot blocking ability has vanished...we need to get rid of him...i don't care if he develops into a good player...to me, he'll end up being another Kurt Rambis..
     
  13. Uprising

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    Good for.......Saving us the hassle of having yet another star on our team. Thank god we got rid of Jefferson. We have enough guys who want to score. :rolleyes:
     
  14. Chaser

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    Eddie should be BENCHED until he shows that he can perform better in the game. I think keeping him on the bench or keeping his minutes to a minimum will make him hungrier and work harder on his game.

    Look at Jermaine O'Neal. He had very little PT (Playing Time) in Portland and showed his skills when he had a chance in Indiana. O'Neal, though, shot around the mid 40% range - even when he had very little PT. What's Eddie's FG%? I'm afraid to look.

    The 2001 Draft was a relatively weak draft. The Rockets chose a bad year to trade up!
     
  15. Live

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    Let's see:

    Jason Richardson
    Tyson Chandler
    Eddy Curry
    Pau Gasol
    Richard Jefferson
    Troy Murphy
    Zach Randolph
    Gilbert Arenas
    Tony Parker
    Jamal Tinsley

    To name a few.

    You're right, what a terrible draft. :rolleyes:
     
  16. Newgirl

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    Richard Jefferson, Troy Murphy, Zach Randolph, Gilbert Arenas, Tony Parker and Jamal Tinsley are all lower picks than Eddie Griffin, yet they are better players now and also have as much if not more potential to improve.

    I'm bored and sorry for the pessimism. :(
     
  17. sun12

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    What a waste for our 3 first round picks. If we have used these picks on Zach Randolph and Arenas or Parker. We are set on the PG (Arenas/Parker), SG (Steve), PF (Randolph), C (Yao).

    I do not want to hear without EG, we won't have the chance to pick Yao. As a matter of fact, without EG, with Randolph, we still suck last year. It is just that Randolph developed fast.
     
  18. jj3469

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    How quick do we forget about last season when he, cat and thomas always led the team in scroing when steve was down. Yea his jumper sucked this year but he is a shotblocking presence down low and has a decent shot. He had to deal with MO-T coming back and taking some scoring up as well as STevie there all year plus yao. He doesn't have much opportunities to score. But I do agree that we could ship him out to get someone that can play tenacious D
     
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    At his current pace of improvement Eddie should be a great player by the time he is 80 years old.
     

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