[ClutchFans] Rockets to begin season with Beverley, Asik as starters; Jeremy Lin off bench

They got the roles wrong. It should have been James Harden vs Kyle Lowry. THAT'S the real PG matchup.

Oh, and need to throw in the mandatory "Jeremy Lin is a Joke" line here....

 

Wow what happened? Linsanity is making its way back?

 

No, Lin just had a good game period...

for linsanity to happen, there are a few things than need to happen first:
1. lin gets cut
2. lin gets sign by a team as 12th man
3. pgs get injured
4. loosing streak.
5. lin comes of the bench and starts a winning streak.

nothing like that happened...

 

I actually think Lin is playing a lot better now than he did during Linsanity.

 

well... 4 & 5 did happen sort of

 

I agree

 

agree. he doesn't look tried during OT.

 

Bev needs to learn to play aggressively without fouling. If bev continue to get in foul trouble early and consistently, I think we need him to come off the bench. Mess up timing and rotation.

 

actually in the long run it's all going to work out because some games when lin starts especially against quick pgs and especially miami didn't do well. now he can come in and just be aggressive. so far so good. now stop TT, keep TJ in lineup and we'll be fine.

 

Looks like the situation last night kinda fit the descriptions above:
1. Lin got cut from the starter position
2. Lin became the 14th guy during the player introduction
3. Harden the real PG playing with sickness and injury (even Lowry noticed Harden was the pg of Rox)
4. Rox was in a loosing streak... well, just two games
5. Lin did come off the bench

Here comes our winning streak :grin:

 

you forgot one factor landry fields

 

Did Lin sleep on Landry's couch again this time? :grin:

 

A great team has leaders that can emerge from any situation to fit the situation. Last night was jeremy.

For a great team to succeed, or for a team to be great even, they must have a great attitude with each other and all believe in the same thing. Egos can create a black hole. Everyone on the team wants to contribute as it should be. So far the team is without a 'true' leader. One commentator mentioned that Harden is not very vocal, parsons was team captain and not sure if it was Dwight. Jeremy would be a good leader, but I think he has to win the respect of his team first (jeremy often is talking to his teammates, he's a communicator).

You can't win a championship with 1 person or even 2. You need everyone to play and do their role. MJ couldn't do it alone. He was surrounded by people who helped him. The Heat couldn't do it alone, they are surrounded by incredible role players who play crazy hard and know what they are supposed to do. Houston just needs to find t heir roles, their identity before that can happen. Might be awhile though - the coach also plays a big part because he is the one that makes the substitutions happens and part of the chemistry develops from that.

Hopefully this game has strengthened their chemistry a bit...but some things I see that could be a problem from the personel is, 1) Howard still lacking his 'touchs' in his own opinion. He didn't get the ball much in 2nd half. He seemed a bit disappointed, but was happy they got the win and Lin helped 2) Parsons mentioned earlier in the year he wants to be the 3rd scoring guy.

I think that's all, I look forward to seeing this team develop, as someone once said, there's a lot of drama going on (whether it's on the board or perceived on the team), it's going to be exciting.

 

Lin is playing extremely well right now. Unforunate that everything about him has become an issue for debate, you can't make a comment, good or bad, without people claiming a hidden agenda.

He's averaging 16 PPG on an extremely good 67 TS%. Still turns the ball over a fair deal, but its more than acceptable given how good he has been offensively. The more I watch of him, the more i think of him as a combo guard, and not a true PG. This team doesn't really need a playmaking PG anyway, he's best attacking looking to score.

He is a better player than Beverly, I've always believed that, but I still think it's best for the whole team, him included, for him to come off the bench. We need him on the floor when Harden sits, and if he starts the minutes simply don't synch up.

 

Well said!!
Jlin has similar game as Ginobili. In his prime, Ginobili is as good of a player as Tony Parker, but having Ginobili come off the bench works better most of the time:
1 At his size and speed, Ginobili doesn't match up well against fast PG
2 He can create his own offense and sustain the pace when the starters are sitting down.
(both sound familiar?)

Ginobili almost always plays around 30 minutes and finishes the game anyway.

That said, Tony Parker is a MUCH MUCH better player than Bev, so the comparison is not perfect. BTW, Lin is also a better overall player than Bev, so this is truly for reason of fit and PG matchup (first reason above).

 

I agree. We've been talking about it forever and it just seems to work. Lin will flourish in 6th man role and be spectacular. LINOBLI!!!

 

no one went out of their way to question this?

vs CHA. off bench W 1-0 off bench
vs DAL starter W 1-0 starting
vs UTA starter W 2-0 starting
vs LAC starter L 2-1 starting
vs POR starter W 3-1 starting
vs LAL off bench L 1-1 off bench
vs LAC off bench L 1-2 off bench
vs TOR off bench W 2-2 off bench



2-2 off bench
3-1 starting

 

I think the real issue is he needs more minutes than Beverley, regardless if he is off the bench or starting. He is impacting the game more.

Lin more minutes than Beverley: 5-1
Lin less minutes than Beverley: 0-2

 

they have only played 5 games together.

3-0 more
0-2 less

 

There were many games in the last season showing us that Harden and Lin can coexist. They only did not play well when Harden was in his hero-mode, when the ball movement stopped.

And I am very impressed of Lin's defense so far. He has learned from Beverly and is always chasing his man.

If he is really a defensive liability I would chose Beverly to play over Lin. But because of his ability to create open shots for his team, far better than Harden, I rather see Lin starting and setting the pace of the game.

Harden and Lin are only redundant if Harden wants to be the PG. But this is not the best solution what we've discovered from many games.