[Business Insider] Look Who Made the Top 20 Ball Hog List in Houston. You'll Never Guess Who.

"To be fair" that's because he doesn't play solely PG. We rotate that role between our guards.

Other "primary" ball handlers get 103.9 touches(Paul), 90.3 touches(Lilliard). Harden isn't even top 40 with 63.6.

He possesses the ball for 4.5 minutes per game while Lin posses it for 4 minutes per game. We have a dual point guard system. Harden is still our SG. That's obvious. With this roster, we depend on him for scoring just as much as OKC depends on Durant for scoring.

 

Nobody hates harden. They just hate his over-the-top fans.

 

Isn't Kobe the worst ball hog of all time? What has that guy accomplished? The Harden hate coming out here is comical, its like people actually believe GMs were lining up to build a team around a player like Lin only to have their plans ruined by Morey. Then, working in tandem McHale and Harden sought to give James control of the team even though James didn't deserve it. Now corruption, lies, sex, and drugs rule rocket land. This is the rhetoric spewed by certain clutchfans out there and its sad.

 

That list is for this young season not last season.

 

"To be fair", other pgs actually bring up the ball which is a manual blue-collar ****ty task which does not lead to any pt or ast considering the fact that you hv to hand the ball over to Harden the primary pg once you passed the half court; yet at the same time if you loses the ball, it's a auto TO & you get the blame.

Well Harden does share the ball handling duty, or shall we say, as a superstar of this team, he delegates the bring-the-ball-up ****ty duty to PB & Lin. In doing so, Harden does not & will not possess as much touches as other primary ball handlers.

 

This coming from a lin fan is so ironic.

 

wrong, you have to fact in FTs and TOs,

 

Not sure who Harden should pass to. It isn't like the Rox are dripping with elite shooters or finishers. Howard is at his best as a finisher on pick and roll action and the system the Rox are running tries to clear the lane, which means Howard isn't going to get a ton of post touches. Regardless, not a single person in that top twenty is in the ballpark with Harden in terms of efficiency and productivity (except for Lopez, who has a ton of quality playmakers around him and never gets doubled). Despite shooting terribly to open the season, Harden is still 33rd in the league in PER thus far with an admirable 22.1 and last year he was 11th at 23 even.

 

If your point is that Bev and Lin just bring the ball up and hand off to Harden every possession(wrong,but ok) then Hardens touch numbers wouldn't be the ones that are skewed it would be Bev and Lin who are technically getting a touch, but a useless one.

Fact is harden and Lin have very similar number of touches per game and Harden is far from the top of touches per game like most primary ball handlers have.

 

Sometimes peoples stupidity amazes me. How the **** does my comment has anything to do with lin? I joined this forum when Lin was in Harvard. I guess you must be a LOH?

 

Wrong. Both Harden's touch numbers & the 2 secondary pgs touch numbers were skewed. Look at the Clippers' game for instance, whenever CP3 brings up the ball, most of the times he'll pass it around & most of the times he'll get it back.

Compare that to the situation here, every time the secondary pg brings up the ball, most of the times (if you want to nitpick about every possession) they'd pass it to Harden & most of the times they would not get it back (which is not surprising considering the fact that Harden has the lowest passing rate among pgs).

The secondary pgs have their fair share of touches by bringing up the ball. For Lin especially who comes off the bench & usually look for his own when playing with other bench players without Harden. So why is it a surprise if they have similar number of touches per game?

 

i don't think durant belongs on that list. Even brooks during the playoffs said something about having durant bringing up the ball and play a 'point' role was bad for his offense. He receives ball, shoots. it's not the same as he receives ball, dribbles, dribbles, dribbles fades into a shot. He stopped that around 3 seasons ago.

 

it's not just about passing to elite shooters or finishers. basketball is a 5 man game and creating flow and movement always makes it more difficult for opposing defenses to find counters, regardless of whether the 5 on the floor is composed of elite shooters or average NBA players.

people like to stir things up by calling others "bashers" or "haters", but it is not always the case when we make constructive observations for the good of the team. not everyone is an "over the top" LOF who will prop up their man and bash others in extreme levels.

Harden can help both himself and the team better by lessening possessions where he eats up a lot of the shot clock holding the ball then taking the shot himself or passing at the last possible second. his teammates and everyone else realize that he is the single biggest offensive weapon they have, and even in a good flowing offense, he should end up taking a bulk of the shots, but by being "sticky", he actually invites the defense to zoom its focus on him and neutralize him much more easily.

 

eh, hes no where near kobe who is the GOAT ball hogger

 

James harden isn't a ****ing point guard. He's a shooting guard and our #1 offensive weapon. #1 offensive weapons are supposed to be "ball hogs" because they are typically the most efficient at scoring.

Also, if anybody actually watched the game last night, harden got a double double in points and assists, Jeremy had zero assists. Not that I care that Jeremy had none, he was a brilliant offensive weapon last night.